- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Why don't we hear more about the Russians helping to end WWII in the Pacific?
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:08 pm to Emteein
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:08 pm to Emteein
It's a weird geopolitical question.
They did nothing to end the Pacific War except exist. They launched their offensive the same day as Fat Man (as you indicated).
But, one of the factors we considered in ending the war with the bombs (rather than firebombing until September/October) was to cut off Soviet justification for incursions into the China and Japanese spheres of influence.
They did nothing to end the Pacific War except exist. They launched their offensive the same day as Fat Man (as you indicated).
But, one of the factors we considered in ending the war with the bombs (rather than firebombing until September/October) was to cut off Soviet justification for incursions into the China and Japanese spheres of influence.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:18 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
But, one of the factors we considered in ending the war with the bombs (rather than firebombing until September/October) was to cut off Soviet justification for incursions into the China and Japanese spheres of influence
This is the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room that people don't talk about. Probably influenced Truman's decision greatly.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 1:34 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
They launched their offensive the same day as Fat Man (as you indicated).
But, one of the factors we considered in ending the war with the bombs (rather than firebombing until September/October) was to cut off Soviet justification for incursions into the China and Japanese spheres of influence.
All true. That said, the Japanese also had to consider two factors:
1) Often forgotten today, Marshal Zhukov handed the Japanese Kwantung Army their collective arse in Manchuria in 1939 before he was recalled to fight the Germans.
2) The Japanese knew there was no way they'd stand a chance the second time around, with no ability to maintain a standing army in Manchuria.
So it was basically a cherry on top of everything else.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 1:37 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
They did nothing to end the Pacific War except exist. They launched their offensive the same day as Fat Man (as you indicated).
I agree with this, but their existence in the war against Japan could be seen as equally as important as the atomic bombs. One way of looking at it is that Russian declaring war and then nearly immediately(61 minutes later) invading china was equivalent to a 3rd atomic bomb, a knockout blow to Japan. Surely if Russia never came along, we would have eventually finished off Japan, either by atomic bombing off the face of the earth or by invasion. Also, I don't believe this is taking anything away from what the US did in the pacific up to that point because we never would have gotten to this moment where the war would end, but we did request Russia's presence in the war with Japan.
quote:
It's a weird geopolitical question
It is surely a weird geopolitical question, if we do not ask for Russian to join in, does China become Communist? Does the Korean War still happen? Does Vietnam still happen?
Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:07 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
But, one of the factors we considered in ending the war with the bombs (rather than firebombing until September/October) was to cut off Soviet justification for incursions into the China and Japanese spheres of influence.
I can't imagine that was true. Harry and FDR loved Uncle Joe. Harry gave away Europe, turned over dissidents to be killed, and led an apology tour on behalf of his buddy Uncle Joe. The idea that Truman/Roosevelt wanted to limit Soviet influence seems like a revisionist fairy tale to me, given the other crazy concessions Truman made.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 2:14 pm
Popular
Back to top
![logo](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/images/layout/TDIcon.jpg)