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re: anyone else like bvs more than civil war
Posted on 5/12/16 at 10:02 am to cincyykid
Posted on 5/12/16 at 10:02 am to cincyykid
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I agree completely! Loved spiderman and black panther. Anyone who complained that batmans hatred of superman was unwarranted or his change of heart can't honestly say they understand where Steve Rogers attachment to bucky is other than friendship which I feel like goes against who cap is as a character. He seems like the type to put the needs of the many over the wants of the few yet the entire movie is catalyzed by his selfishness in him not wanting to see harm come to his murdering friend. And it makes very little sense why half the people who bucky tries to kill are so easily swayed to accept him as just another part of the team and even risk there lives for him.
You're not wrong. But I want to make the case for Cap's motivation here, beyond just the friendship with Bucky.
One of the key things to understand about Cap is that he is a man out of his time. His America is not the America you see now. It is the America that once was. When Peggy Carter dies, the only tie left to that America, "home" to Cap is Bucky. Losing Bucky means losing "home"... his last tie to where he comes from. Whether it makes sense to you or not, Cap doesn't like being totally alone in the world, and he acts partly out of desperation. Think about the Smithsonian scene in Winter Solider. Why did Cap go there? He wanted to be around the few relics that are left from his time.
So yes, Cap acted selfishly, when he is usually a team-oriented guy. But that's his internal conflict in this movie. It's not just about friendship. It's about Cap's place in the world, too. I think that gets overlooked because people focus too much on Cap and Bucky and their friendship, without considering what Bucky represents to Cap, beyond friendship.
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Posted on 5/12/16 at 10:43 am to SpqrTiger
I dont know a single person that likes BVS over civil war. Even dc fan boys think BVS was extremely flawed.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 10:48 am to SpqrTiger
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You're not wrong. But I want to make the case for Cap's motivation here, beyond just the friendship with Bucky.
One of the key things to understand about Cap is that he is a man out of his time. His America is not the America you see now. It is the America that once was. When Peggy Carter dies, the only tie left to that America, "home" to Cap is Bucky. Losing Bucky means losing "home"... his last tie to where he comes from. Whether it makes sense to you or not, Cap doesn't like being totally alone in the world, and he acts partly out of desperation. Think about the Smithsonian scene in Winter Solider. Why did Cap go there? He wanted to be around the few relics that are left from his time.
So yes, Cap acted selfishly, when he is usually a team-oriented guy. But that's his internal conflict in this movie. It's not just about friendship. It's about Cap's place in the world, too. I think that gets overlooked because people focus too much on Cap and Bucky and their friendship, without considering what Bucky represents to Cap, beyond friendship.
They didn't really mention it in the movie, but also don't forget that Cap has already been betrayed by an organization he was working for (SHIELD infiltrated by Hydra). So it's very easy to see why he's not cool with handcuffing himself again to an organization that can be corrupted.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 10:52 am to SpqrTiger
I can see where your coming from but I think tye scene at the end where stark says I was your friend to shows how the new world has accepted cap and he completely shuns it.
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