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Brandon Harris not improving would go against SEC West past 5 years
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:11 pm
This is a quote from a poster in the Barrett Sallee thread and I thought that my answer would serve better as a starting topic.
SEC West QBs last 5 years: 1st year starting and then 2nd year
Johnny Manziel Yr 1 - 68% 3706 pass yards 8.5 ypa 26 TDs 9 ints
Johnny Manziel Yr 2 - 69.9% 4114 pass yards 9.6 ypa 37 TDs 13 ints
Dak Prescott Yr 1 (7 starts, 11 games played - 58.4% 1940 pass yards 7.3 ypa 10 TDs 7 ints
Dak Prescott Yr 2 - 61.6% 3449 pass yards 8.7 ypa 27 TDs 11 ints
AJ McCarron Yr 1 - 66.8% 2634 pass yards 8.0 ypa 16 TDs 5 ints
AJ McCarron Yr 2 - 67.2% 3063 pass yards 9.3 ypa 30 TDs 3 ints
Zach Mettenberger Yr 1 - 58.8% 2609 pass yards 7.4 ypa 12 TDs 7 ints
Zach Mettenberger Yr 2 - 64.9% 3082 pass yards 10.4 ypa 22 TDs 8 ints
Tyler Russell Yr 1 (started 6 games before injury, 9 games played) - 53.5% 1034 pass yards 8.0 ypa 8 TDs 4 ints
Tyler Russell Yr 2 - 58.6% 2897 pass yards 7.4 ypa 24 TDs 10 ints
Brandon Allen Yr 1 - 49.6% 1552 pass yards 6.0 ypa 13 TDs 10 ints
Brandon Allen Yr 2 - 56% 2285 pass yards 6.7 ypa 20 TDs 5 ints
Nick Marshall Yr 1 - 59.4% 1940 pass yards 8.3 ypa 14 TDs 6 ints
Nick Marshall Yr 2 - 60.8% 2523 pass yards 8.6 ypa 20 TDs 7 ints
There were only two guys that didn't greatly improve passing from year one to year two and those two are Bo Wallace and Tyler Wilson. Tyler Wilson was the only guy that regressed. While Bo's YPA and TDs dipped on almost 50 more passes, he had 7 less ints and a slightly higher pass completion in his 2nd year. Tyler Wilson lost his top two WRs (over 1750 yards and 15 TDs on 120 catches) and almost his entire offensive coaching staff after the Petrino firing.
Brandon Harris brings back his coaching staff, improves with more precise QB coaching, and brings back damn near the entire offensive production from last year. He has several experienced pass catching options that will go high in the draft as well.
So to reiterate the headline, It would actually go AGAINST the past 5 years and say a returning starter QB in the SEC West won't produce better results. It's ridiculous on anyone's part to say our returning starter QB won't improve just because we have Les Miles and Cam Cameron still leading the ship.
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Will someone who makes this claim please for once back it up with some real information? People on here say every year that [insert year of current starting QB] is the year most QBs show the most improvement. I doubt there is any statistically significant trend on exactly when, how much and how often QBs improve, but like apparently everyone who keeps making this bullshite claim, I haven't looked it up, so I don't know.
SEC West QBs last 5 years: 1st year starting and then 2nd year
Johnny Manziel Yr 1 - 68% 3706 pass yards 8.5 ypa 26 TDs 9 ints
Johnny Manziel Yr 2 - 69.9% 4114 pass yards 9.6 ypa 37 TDs 13 ints
Dak Prescott Yr 1 (7 starts, 11 games played - 58.4% 1940 pass yards 7.3 ypa 10 TDs 7 ints
Dak Prescott Yr 2 - 61.6% 3449 pass yards 8.7 ypa 27 TDs 11 ints
AJ McCarron Yr 1 - 66.8% 2634 pass yards 8.0 ypa 16 TDs 5 ints
AJ McCarron Yr 2 - 67.2% 3063 pass yards 9.3 ypa 30 TDs 3 ints
Zach Mettenberger Yr 1 - 58.8% 2609 pass yards 7.4 ypa 12 TDs 7 ints
Zach Mettenberger Yr 2 - 64.9% 3082 pass yards 10.4 ypa 22 TDs 8 ints
Tyler Russell Yr 1 (started 6 games before injury, 9 games played) - 53.5% 1034 pass yards 8.0 ypa 8 TDs 4 ints
Tyler Russell Yr 2 - 58.6% 2897 pass yards 7.4 ypa 24 TDs 10 ints
Brandon Allen Yr 1 - 49.6% 1552 pass yards 6.0 ypa 13 TDs 10 ints
Brandon Allen Yr 2 - 56% 2285 pass yards 6.7 ypa 20 TDs 5 ints
Nick Marshall Yr 1 - 59.4% 1940 pass yards 8.3 ypa 14 TDs 6 ints
Nick Marshall Yr 2 - 60.8% 2523 pass yards 8.6 ypa 20 TDs 7 ints
There were only two guys that didn't greatly improve passing from year one to year two and those two are Bo Wallace and Tyler Wilson. Tyler Wilson was the only guy that regressed. While Bo's YPA and TDs dipped on almost 50 more passes, he had 7 less ints and a slightly higher pass completion in his 2nd year. Tyler Wilson lost his top two WRs (over 1750 yards and 15 TDs on 120 catches) and almost his entire offensive coaching staff after the Petrino firing.
Brandon Harris brings back his coaching staff, improves with more precise QB coaching, and brings back damn near the entire offensive production from last year. He has several experienced pass catching options that will go high in the draft as well.
So to reiterate the headline, It would actually go AGAINST the past 5 years and say a returning starter QB in the SEC West won't produce better results. It's ridiculous on anyone's part to say our returning starter QB won't improve just because we have Les Miles and Cam Cameron still leading the ship.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:22 pm to UnderhandRabbit
It's May and almost time for Bayou Country Superfest. Who gives a shite right now?!?
I'm enjoying my downtime from LSU football right now. Lord knows come September that I'll be stressed as hell
I'm enjoying my downtime from LSU football right now. Lord knows come September that I'll be stressed as hell
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:25 pm to Datbayoubengal
It is a natural progression to improve after a season of starting
Mettenberger as a first year starting Junior had similar stats to Harris as a first year starting Sophomore.. Both players showed flashes here and there while first year starting, but had mediocre stats. So keep in mind it took even Mettenberger a Senior season to really get it going. Harris isn't that far behind and he's even younger at this point.
Mett 58% completion, 12 TDs, 7 INTs first season starting and this was with 13 games played.
Harris 54% completion, 13 TDs, 6 INTs, ONLY 12 games.. he missed out on a cupcake game in which he has shown he can boost his stats.
and as I said, Harris was only a Sophomore..
So not sure why people are so quick to write Harris off.. had he gotten the McNeese game he probably is around 15 TDs, 6 INTs 55%ish which would be even better than Mett's first season starting.
Mettenberger as a first year starting Junior had similar stats to Harris as a first year starting Sophomore.. Both players showed flashes here and there while first year starting, but had mediocre stats. So keep in mind it took even Mettenberger a Senior season to really get it going. Harris isn't that far behind and he's even younger at this point.
Mett 58% completion, 12 TDs, 7 INTs first season starting and this was with 13 games played.
Harris 54% completion, 13 TDs, 6 INTs, ONLY 12 games.. he missed out on a cupcake game in which he has shown he can boost his stats.
and as I said, Harris was only a Sophomore..
So not sure why people are so quick to write Harris off.. had he gotten the McNeese game he probably is around 15 TDs, 6 INTs 55%ish which would be even better than Mett's first season starting.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:38 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Brandon Harris not improving would go against SEC West past 5 years
The original post to which that post responded was about pro-style QBs. Manziel, Prescott and Marshall don't really fit that category. Additionally, nothing that anybody at Alabama does has anything to do with anybody other than Alabama because obviously no one (and certainly not LSU) can do what they do. They get good (at least) and very good (usually) QB play pretty much every year, no matter what year a player is in or what year starting it is for him. Also, Prescott and Russell weren't really full-time starters in what you are calling Year 1 for them, so they aren't really relevant for that reason, too.
So, basically, that leaves Mett and Brandon Allen. Mett is probably the only one relevant to our situation because he's the only one who was coached by our staff. Didn't hurt that he had OBJ and Landry, either, although I like our current WRs, too.
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:40 pm to Datbayoubengal
So at a minimum he'll have 20 TDs?? 
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:42 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
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It's May and almost time for Bayou Country Superfest. Who gives a shite right now?!?
Didn't know you were a 12 year old girl
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:42 pm to Datbayoubengal
Looking forward to seeing how much BH progresses this year. If he reaches anywhere near his ceiling I feel we're in for one hell of a ride
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:45 pm to Datbayoubengal
Buh, buh, buh... Jordan Jefferson!!!
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:48 pm to lsu2006
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Didn't know you were a 12 year old girl
i love eric church baw
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:50 pm to Ignignot
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i love eric church
Shame
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:50 pm to Ignignot
I can't tell you what to like. But I can judge you on what you like.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:55 pm to beauchristopher
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Harris 54% completion, 13 TDs, 6 INTs, ONLY 12 games.. he missed out on a cupcake game in which he has shown he can boost his stats.
Versus two cupcakes:
Eastern Michigan: 4-14, 80 yards.
WKU: 11-20, 286, 3 TDs.
Average those two (bearing in mind that the McNeese game would have been the opener, and his better showing of the above two came in the later game, vs. WKU):
7 or 8 completions on 17 attempts, 183 yards, 1 or 2 TDs.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:58 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
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It's May and almost time for Bayou Country Superfest. Who gives a shite right now?!?
Thought you were black
Posted on 5/9/16 at 4:33 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
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Bayou Country Superfest.
This is still a thing? I didn't think people still listened to country "music"
Posted on 5/9/16 at 4:55 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Versus two cupcakes: Eastern Michigan: 4-14, 80 yards. WKU: 11-20, 286, 3 TDs. Average those two (bearing in mind that the McNeese game would have been the opener, and his better showing of the above two came in the later game, vs. WKU): 7 or 8 completions on 17 attempts, 183 yards, 1 or 2 TDs.
I was hoping someone would play this game with me.
Thank you for biting.
yes 1 or 2 tds.. more likely two though.
Want to know why?
Because let's go a season back prior..
11 of 14, 178 yards, 3 TDs passing (he had another 2 rushing TDs) that's 5 total TDs boss vs a cupcake.
So yeah, my point is he typically does well vs these teams.. I was factoring in Harris' career vs these types
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 5:07 pm to Nuts4LSU
Also FWIW, Eastern Michigan was historically bad vs the run game, among the very worst.. so of course the plan was to run all over them.
But like I said Brandon is really good vs cupcakes in his career, especially in you factor in all the games.
Even in the beginning of 2014 where he barely played versus Sam Houston St. he went 4-5 with a 1 td Jennings pretty much got that entire game.
When he finally got a chance to get the majority of the plays vs New Mexico St he absolutely went off.. accounting for 5 total TDs, and keep in mind he didn't even start that game either..
So yes, by all means factor in all of Brand Harris vs cupcakes.. especially where he got the bulk of playing. The ULM game he didn't get but 2 passes.. so not really worth factoring in.
Harris easily accounts for at least 2 tds vs McNeese St IMO.. but of course that can never be proven either way.. but according to his body of work.. I have a good idea he would have put up at least 2 TDs.
And it's not just Brandon Harris being good vs this type of competition.. LSU in general typically puts up stats vs inferior teams.. The Eastern Michigan game was an anomaly in a way, and more about exposing their really bad run defense.
I fully expect another 2 tds from Harris had he gotten to play against another cupcake. Just given off his success in his whole career. Even when he played less than 5 snaps (vs Sam Houston St) passing.. he had at least a TD.
But like I said Brandon is really good vs cupcakes in his career, especially in you factor in all the games.
Even in the beginning of 2014 where he barely played versus Sam Houston St. he went 4-5 with a 1 td Jennings pretty much got that entire game.
When he finally got a chance to get the majority of the plays vs New Mexico St he absolutely went off.. accounting for 5 total TDs, and keep in mind he didn't even start that game either..
So yes, by all means factor in all of Brand Harris vs cupcakes.. especially where he got the bulk of playing. The ULM game he didn't get but 2 passes.. so not really worth factoring in.
Harris easily accounts for at least 2 tds vs McNeese St IMO.. but of course that can never be proven either way.. but according to his body of work.. I have a good idea he would have put up at least 2 TDs.
And it's not just Brandon Harris being good vs this type of competition.. LSU in general typically puts up stats vs inferior teams.. The Eastern Michigan game was an anomaly in a way, and more about exposing their really bad run defense.
I fully expect another 2 tds from Harris had he gotten to play against another cupcake. Just given off his success in his whole career. Even when he played less than 5 snaps (vs Sam Houston St) passing.. he had at least a TD.
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 5:35 pm to Datbayoubengal
Not just against the SECW, but against majority of football as well. Typically a 1st year starter is improved in his 2nd year.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 5:52 pm to PortCityTiger24
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Thought you were black
I'm white at heart.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 7:09 pm to Datbayoubengal
thanks for the stats. it is also common sense that an experienced qb will improve.
if this team has the motivation and drive to improve, they will improve.
if this team has the motivation and drive to improve, they will improve.
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