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Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:06 pm to
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:06 pm to
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Return to oz
I can't believe you had the balls to even list that one.

The "Gary Kurtz is the real genius behind Star Wars" routine is pretty thin, man. Lucas' filmography is far more impressive, all things considered.

Personally, I think George Lucas is to blame for the "Empire is the best one" movement. The prequels sucked so much that it sparked a hatred for everything he's been in charge of.

However, if film students are continually instructed to say that Citizen Kane is the greatest film of all time because of its impact on the industry, I think that Star Wars can be said to have overcome that status for the same reason.

Seriously. I blasted off and was transported to a galaxy far far away, and the world was not the same when I left that theater. Star Wars is a watershed in human history, not just a film. Hate on Mr. Lucas all you like. He changed the world with that movie.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:12 pm to
I don't think he's the genius behind it but conceptually it was both Kurtz and Lucas. Lucas was the idea man, Kurtz was the filter those ideas went through

I list return to oz because visually, it has style and reinforces the role Kurtz had on the production design of Star Wars and empire

We're talking about Jedi, just look at the drop in set quality and the increase with compositing on simple dialogue scenes (lands and han in the hangar bay)
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:25 pm to
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continually instructed to say that Citizen Kane is the greatest film of all time because of its impact on the industry, I think that Star Wars can be said to have overcome that status for the same reason.

I absolutely agree that the impact is such that it is impossible to dismiss it when judging the movie...star wars is a GOAT movie

citizen kane is the better film between those two however

citizen kane I think is the second greatest film behind emire. To me they're equally perfect, but empire is more of what cinema is about...imagination, discovery, adventure

Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 4/4/16 at 2:28 pm to
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Seriously. I blasted off and was transported to a galaxy far far away, and the world was not the same when I left that theater
oh how I wish I could have seen these movies on the big screen. no doubt star wars is unbeatable in terms of impact not only on audiences but the industry.

empire is the movie that made ILM the most in demand company over the next 15 years.

i wonder if lucas was really pissed Cameron didn't use ILM for titanic...I've heard that somewhere before.
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