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re: Cobain vs Grohl

Posted on 3/26/16 at 5:40 pm to
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/26/16 at 5:40 pm to
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I don't dismiss their music and I do enjoy many of the tracks they recorded. I would totally agree with you that Cobain had much more in common with the Beatles than many realize when it came to songwriting formula. You are also correct that many folks (like myself) have probably placed far too much blame on Nirvana for the death of the guitar ride. Not since the punks of the 70's had a band used so little musicianship to become so popular. I know I'll get hammered for that statement, but it is what it is.......for the most part, 4 chord rock n roll.......which is alright by me.


I agree with this. I like Nirvana, but I like them as a band, not as a genre. I think the fact that they get credit for killing hair metal is what makes people hate them. Nirvana was a breath of fresh air, something new. The problem was, rather than being a unique one-off, they became the model. The grunge movement ended up being too much of a good thing.

Nirvana was great because they were grit in a sea of glitter. The problem was, women didn't like grit. You can't dance to grit. When all rock, succumbed to the grit, the women flocked to the one remaining genre they could dance to, hip hop. Grunge didn't make guys feel like badasses, so guys followed the girls. Hip hop and generic pop slowly replaced rock in the mainstream consciousness.

Nirvana gets blamed for the death of rock n roll itself, which is blatantly unfair and only sorta true. The true blame goes to classic rock radio, which was founded in the 90's, coincidentally, as an affront to grunge.
This post was edited on 3/26/16 at 5:41 pm
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
22381 posts
Posted on 3/26/16 at 8:28 pm to
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The true blame goes to classic rock radio, which was founded in the 90's, coincidentally, as an affront to grunge.


Classic Rock started in the early 80s..
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19811 posts
Posted on 3/26/16 at 8:39 pm to
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I agree with this. I like Nirvana, but I like them as a band, not as a genre. I think the fact that they get credit for killing hair metal is what makes people hate them. Nirvana was a breath of fresh air, something new. The problem was, rather than being a unique one-off, they became the model. The grunge movement ended up being too much of a good thing.

Nirvana was great because they were grit in a sea of glitter. The problem was, women didn't like grit. You can't dance to grit. When all rock, succumbed to the grit, the women flocked to the one remaining genre they could dance to, hip hop. Grunge didn't make guys feel like badasses, so guys followed the girls. Hip hop and generic pop slowly replaced rock in the mainstream consciousness.

Nirvana gets blamed for the death of rock n roll itself, which is blatantly unfair and only sorta true. The true blame goes to classic rock radio, which was founded in the 90's, coincidentally, as an affront to grunge.


Solid analysis. There's an interview with Rick Rubin from when he was producing demo tracks for The Band Perry about 4 years ago in which he talks about the Seattle scene coupled with the emergence of Hip Hop contributing to the rise and subsequent popularity of country music. Really interesting stuff.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263354 posts
Posted on 3/27/16 at 11:15 pm to
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Nirvana was great because they were grit in a sea of glitter. The problem was, women didn't like grit. You can't dance to grit. When all rock, succumbed to the grit, the women flocked to the one remaining genre they could dance to, hip hop. Grunge didn't make guys feel like badasses, so guys followed the girls. Hip hop and generic pop slowly replaced rock in the mainstream consciousness.




I disappeared from music for a few years and was lost until about 1992. I appreciated Nirvana and Pearl Jam I heard, as it was gritty music about something a little deeper than the party rock of the hair band era. This was before internet access to music was widely available and Radio was still the main media for most folks at the time.
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