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re: Rounders
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:37 pm to Jack Ruby
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:37 pm to Jack Ruby
At the time it was a good movie. Looking back, I think it's OK. Here's my issue with the movie but I will get accused of being too "technical" of this.
1. In the opening scene, Mike buys in 30K in the big game. However, the players have to deal the cards? Come on. Any legit card room will have their own dealers.
2. The hand were Mike goes bust vs KGB. Mike goes "I don't think you have the spades, I'm all in". Pretty bad line to use for a gifted poker player. If you think KGB is bluffing, you just call. You wouldn't go all-in unless you have nuts.
3. Mike owes KGB 15k and he has till morning to pay up. Mike has 10k with him. KGB knows this. However, Mike ask for a heads up match. Why would Teddy play him? Ego? It doesn't make sense because if KBG waits till morning, he gets mike's 10k regardless. Why even play?
4. The part where Mike tells Knish that he beat Johnny Chan. Where he and chan was playing high limit. They kept raising and reraising before the flop. No decent player would fold one more bet and not see a flop. And chan suppose to be a poker god in the movie.
5. Movie portrays Chan as a poker god and Eric Seidel is a loser. Eric Seidel is a great player and still scoring big tournaments.
Knish and Professor was the real hero of the movie. Great performances by Landau and Ed Norton.
1. In the opening scene, Mike buys in 30K in the big game. However, the players have to deal the cards? Come on. Any legit card room will have their own dealers.
2. The hand were Mike goes bust vs KGB. Mike goes "I don't think you have the spades, I'm all in". Pretty bad line to use for a gifted poker player. If you think KGB is bluffing, you just call. You wouldn't go all-in unless you have nuts.
3. Mike owes KGB 15k and he has till morning to pay up. Mike has 10k with him. KGB knows this. However, Mike ask for a heads up match. Why would Teddy play him? Ego? It doesn't make sense because if KBG waits till morning, he gets mike's 10k regardless. Why even play?
4. The part where Mike tells Knish that he beat Johnny Chan. Where he and chan was playing high limit. They kept raising and reraising before the flop. No decent player would fold one more bet and not see a flop. And chan suppose to be a poker god in the movie.
5. Movie portrays Chan as a poker god and Eric Seidel is a loser. Eric Seidel is a great player and still scoring big tournaments.
Knish and Professor was the real hero of the movie. Great performances by Landau and Ed Norton.
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:52 pm to PeteRose
It's an entertaining but painful flick.
Norton's character is so insufferable and such a cancer...that you know from mile 1, there's no good outcome with this relationship...Norton did a great job but I wish his character had been written more nuanced...that you had an inkling he was all messed up and just that...not a complete carpet bomb...
...I wish that the story had that tension. I know they play up that he went to prison and Damon thinks he's different now but that evaporated after two minutes...and then you have a schlub chasing an addict...I just sort of wish that realization was hard fought and occurred later in the film...at least for the audience...because we all know Norton's character is going to drag his butt down faster than quick sand and that sort of ruins the drama.
In essence, the movie could have worked better if it's leads were written more nuanced and the conflict and impending disaster wasn't so obvious right off the bat.
But that's not just a problem with this movie, it's a problem with all bad seed friendship movies. We've seen it many times before Rounders...I just wish they'd taken a different spin on it and made Norton's character more complicated than obvious foil.
Norton's character is so insufferable and such a cancer...that you know from mile 1, there's no good outcome with this relationship...Norton did a great job but I wish his character had been written more nuanced...that you had an inkling he was all messed up and just that...not a complete carpet bomb...
...I wish that the story had that tension. I know they play up that he went to prison and Damon thinks he's different now but that evaporated after two minutes...and then you have a schlub chasing an addict...I just sort of wish that realization was hard fought and occurred later in the film...at least for the audience...because we all know Norton's character is going to drag his butt down faster than quick sand and that sort of ruins the drama.
In essence, the movie could have worked better if it's leads were written more nuanced and the conflict and impending disaster wasn't so obvious right off the bat.
But that's not just a problem with this movie, it's a problem with all bad seed friendship movies. We've seen it many times before Rounders...I just wish they'd taken a different spin on it and made Norton's character more complicated than obvious foil.
This post was edited on 3/10/16 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 3/11/16 at 12:33 am to PeteRose
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2. The hand were Mike goes bust vs KGB. Mike goes "I don't think you have the spades, I'm all in". Pretty bad line to use for a gifted poker player. If you think KGB is bluffing, you just call. You wouldn't go all-in unless you have nuts.
Mike has a full house. He thinks he has the winning hand and wants KBG to call if he has spades. Still a bad line all the same, but Mike was never considering he was beat, and thats why he went all in.
The thing that annoys me is Mike says he should of seen the Aces coming, which is complete bullshite. No matter how gifted you are, those chips are going into the middle and you live with the outcome. Its just an epic cooler that rarely ever happens at a full table, much less heads up.
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 12:37 am
Posted on 3/11/16 at 6:43 am to PeteRose
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3. Mike owes KGB 15k and he has till morning to pay up. Mike has 10k with him. KGB knows this. However, Mike ask for a heads up match. Why would Teddy play him? Ego? It doesn't make sense because if KBG waits till morning, he gets mike's 10k regardless. Why even play?
Because if Teddy wins and takes mikes money, Mike STILL owes him $15k come morning. Mike was using the $10k to try and win some of KGBs money to pay him. Teddy knows this and sees an opportunity to take the $10k, and have the juice still running on the $15k Mike already owes him.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 2:58 pm to PeteRose
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1. In the opening scene, Mike buys in 30K in the big game. However, the players have to deal the cards? Come on. Any legit card room will have their own dealers.
this sounds nitpicky, it looks like a dive run (we assume) by the Russian mob or at least a guy connected to them
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2. The hand were Mike goes bust vs KGB. Mike goes "I don't think you have the spades, I'm all in". Pretty bad line to use for a gifted poker player. If you think KGB is bluffing, you just call. You wouldn't go all-in unless you have nuts.
Also sounds nitpicky, but a) i thought Mike had a good hand and just got beat and b)i figure they were trying to show he was arrogant and that arrogance blinded him to the better hand, it short he fricked up. He's a good player, not perfect.
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3. Mike owes KGB 15k and he has till morning to pay up. Mike has 10k with him. KGB knows this. However, Mike ask for a heads up match. Why would Teddy play him? Ego? It doesn't make sense because if KBG waits till morning, he gets mike's 10k regardless. Why even play?
If Teddy wins the 10K doesn't he still get the 15K he owes and besides, its a joke anyway, he was paying Mike with Mike's own money from the last time he stuck it in Mike.
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4. The part where Mike tells Knish that he beat Johnny Chan. Where he and chan was playing high limit. They kept raising and reraising before the flop. No decent player would fold one more bet and not see a flop. And chan suppose to be a poker god in the movie.
maybe he was just making that up plus i thought he checked til the end?
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5. Movie portrays Chan as a poker god and Eric Seidel is a loser. Eric Seidel is a great player and still scoring big tournaments.
who cares, besides was that true when the movie was made?
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Knish and Professor was the real hero of the movie
i agree with this.
Overall its a good movie not flawless, some quotable lines. I'm not a poker player
Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:49 am to PeteRose
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Movie portrays Chan as a poker god and Eric Seidel is a loser
no it doesnt
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