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re: Outside the top 4 in the draft who are the top 5 guys you want for this team?

Posted on 3/4/16 at 3:43 pm to
Posted by 504ByrdGang
Member since Nov 2013
2495 posts
Posted on 3/4/16 at 3:43 pm to
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So on the one hand Hield is a hard worker and showed he can greatly improve his game year over year and on the other hand we have Luwawu(only 1 year and 3 months younger) who has shown that for 25 games his percentages have gone up after a couple years of mediocrity.

You conclude then that only one guy, the guy you like, will be able to continue that growth in the NBA and the other guy will not. Mind you Luwawu is still not even at Hields level at pretty much any skill on the court besides rebounding and as has been pointed out to you Hield has all the necessary tools to succeed.

You knock Hield for excelling against what you call scrawny teenagers then praise Luwawu for excelling less against just as questionable opponents.

I don't mind you liking Luwawu, but at least be even handed with your evaluations. You put on the rose tinted glasses for one guy and then down some haterade when looking at the other guy. Thats not how you evaluate talent.

Basically the only differentiating point you are making is you like one guys measurables more. But even then you are once again objectively overstating how bad Hield's are.


To simplfy it, for Heild to get better at his faults size, speed, and athleticism is less like than Luwawu getting better at his with strength, dribbling, and absorbing contact. As for their level of play, Heild is a man playing with boys and Luwawu is a boy playing with men. I feel like Heild is the safe pick with a low ceiling and if it works out he will be OK and have a role on this squad. Luwau is a riskier pick but if he pans out will be a cornerstone of this team so I guess I rather bet big.
This post was edited on 3/4/16 at 3:55 pm
Posted by NOLA Bronco
Member since Dec 2014
1898 posts
Posted on 3/4/16 at 5:45 pm to
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To simplfy it, for Heild to get better at his faults size, speed, and athleticism is less like than Luwawu getting better at his with strength, dribbling, and absorbing contact. As for their level of play, Heild is a man playing with boys and Luwawu is a boy playing with men. I feel like Heild is the safe pick with a low ceiling and if it works out he will be OK and have a role on this squad. Luwau is a riskier pick but if he pans out will be a cornerstone of this team so I guess I rather bet big.


Listen I can accept you like Luwawu over Hield, I can. But this continual false prism you are viewing each player through to buffer your arguments I can not.

Luwawu is only 1 year and 3 months younger then Hield. Luwawu, like Hield, is on his 4th season playing at a true competitive level. So this whole Boy amongst men, men amongst boys thing is just not true. To even further put this in context, Luwawu is playing in a league with probably not a single other NBA caliber talent. Hield plays them regularly. So this argument of competition level is just false.

And again you are framing Hields athleticism, size and speed as if it is below the threshold where a person can succeed in the NBA. Held is very strong. Just to catch Hield, Luwawu would need to put on 20 pounds of muscle. As AD has shown, that is easier said then done and Luwawu is knocked for his small frame and shoulder width which limits his ability to add mass. Hield is graded as having better quickness and athleticism then numerous successful guards like Beal, McCollum, Matthews, Reddick and has a similar height and wingspan. So his measurables are in no way a barrier to him being a high impact player in this league.

I agree Luwawu has a higher ceiling but he also has a ways to go just to get to Hields level. I just don't think we need to misrepresent Hield's own potential to make that case.
This post was edited on 3/4/16 at 5:57 pm
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