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Hield has in fact proven himself. He is a good defender in college above the minimum threshold needed to succeed as a defender in the NBA with pretty much every intangible you want a player to have on the next level. You are right, that is no guarantee of success, many have failed.

Where things start to fall apart is that you then go on to pump up Luwawu, a guy with many more question marks, coming from a place where success has historically been a much worse gauge of transition success in the NBA. Speaking as if the latter is much more likely to succeed and excel then the former.

I'll give you my full explenation why I like Luwawu. When I see this guy I compare it to Jimmer vs Kawhi but at a smaller level. Jimmer was dominant in college and destroying every one he was skilled and could score any where on the floor. Heild is the same but bigger. He had trouble in the past year scoring in the paint and creating off the dribble. This season he has gotten much better at that. But people are forgetting this guy is playing in his fully developed body vs scrawny teenagers. He was able to be more effective this season he's able to over power his oppents and get to the rim. In the NBA he will not have that same trait. He's too small, isn't quick enough, strong enough, or explosive enough. I seen a stat that said he's greatly increased the amount of time he attempted to score inside the arch and he used to settle for floaters. He doesn't have the NBA skill set to do that at the next level. I have no doubt he's skilled I just don't think it would translate well. Unless he becomes a master off ball players who runs all day and uses screens like JJ he screams bust to me. With Luwawu he has the NBA length, siZe, and athletic ability. He also shows hes a hard worker that trait the Kawhi has. Within one year he great improved his shooting and is shooting at NBA range. He a great defender and has quick hands to guard the best perimeter player. He's also playing at a much higher level Than any of the other top picks avg 30 mins at only 20. Not to mention his passing he has great court awareness. I will admit he has a very low floor but his ceiling is something we desperately need. Every fault in his game is something that can be improved from his weight, to creating off the dribble to get into the lane. And finishing through contact this Kawhi all improved upon. If he didn't show the improvements he did from year one to two I would be much lower on him. Tbh I don't like Brown either he reminds me of an Aminu type good defensive potential with low IQ and a shaky offensive game who doesn't have drive. My list if who I want is Ben, Ingram,Brown, Murray, Fun, Luwawu.

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Posted on 3/4/16 at 3:38 pm to 504ByrdGang

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I'll give you my full explenation why I like Luwawu. When I see this guy I compare it to Jimmer vs Kawhi but at a smaller level. Jimmer was dominant in college and destroying every one he was skilled and could score any where on the floor. Heild is the same but bigger. He had trouble in the past year scoring in the paint and creating off the dribble. This season he has gotten much better at that. But people are forgetting this guy is playing in his fully developed body vs scrawny teenagers. He was able to be more effective this season he's able to over power his oppents and get to the rim. In the NBA he will not have that same trait. He's too small, isn't quick enough, strong enough, or explosive enough. I seen a stat that said he's greatly increased the amount of time he attempted to score inside the arch and he used to settle for floaters. He doesn't have the NBA skill set to do that at the next level. I have no doubt he's skilled I just don't think it would translate well. Unless he becomes a master off ball players who runs all day and uses screens like JJ he screams bust to me. With Luwawu he has the NBA length, siZe, and athletic ability. He also shows hes a hard worker that trait the Kawhi has. Within one year he great improved his shooting and is shooting at NBA range. He a great defender and has quick hands to guard the best perimeter player. He's also playing at a much higher level Than any of the other top picks avg 30 mins at only 20. Not to mention his passing he has great court awareness. I will admit he has a very low floor but his ceiling is something we desperately need. Every fault in his game is something that can be improved from his weight, to creating off the dribble to get into the lane. And finishing through contact this Kawhi all improved upon. If he didn't show the improvements he did from year one to two I would be much lower on him. Tbh I don't like Brown either he reminds me of an Aminu type good defensive potential with low IQ and a shaky offensive game who doesn't have drive. My list if who I want is Ben, Ingram,Brown, Murray, Fun, Luwawu.

So on the one hand Hield is a hard worker and showed he can greatly improve his game year over year and on the other hand we have Luwawu(only 1 year and 3 months younger) who has shown that for 25 games his percentages have gone up after a couple years of mediocrity.

You conclude then that only one guy, the guy you like, will be able to continue that growth in the NBA and the other guy will not. Mind you Luwawu is still not even at Hields level at pretty much any skill on the court besides rebounding and as has been pointed out to you Hield has all the necessary tools to succeed. Where you see promise in one guy by improving from mediocrity you refuse to see it in another. One who arguably improved much greater.

You knock Hield for excelling against what you call scrawny teenagers then praise Luwawu for excelling less against just as questionable opponents.

I don't mind you liking Luwawu, but at least be even handed with your evaluations. You put on the rose tinted glasses for one guy and then down some haterade when looking at the other guy. Thats not how you evaluate talent.

Basically the only differentiating point you are making is you like one guys measurables more. But even then you are once again objectively overstating how bad Hield's are. And when you continue to do that, it discredits almost any and all of the rest of your analysis.

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