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re: Demps - Asking AD to Move Mountains

Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:19 pm to
Posted by JustinT37
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:19 pm to
Does it? I don't understand that logic. You would think bringing in young veterans would help AD carry more of the load, than Nerlens Noel and Devin Booker fresh out of college. We are talking about Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson, Tyreke Evans, Jrue Holiday, Quincy Pondexter, Omer Asik, and Norris Cole. Another thing is Jrue is not near his "PEAK." Most of the individuals on our team still have a bright future ahead, you are acting like they are over 40 when most aren't 30, some not even 25.
Posted by htran90
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:35 pm to
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Does it? I don't understand that logic. You would think bringing in young veterans would help AD carry more of the load, than Nerlens Noel and Devin Booker fresh out of college. We are talking about Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson, Tyreke Evans, Jrue Holiday, Quincy Pondexter, Omer Asik, and Norris Cole. Another thing is Jrue is not near his "PEAK." Most of the individuals on our team still have a bright future ahead, you are acting like they are over 40 when most aren't 30, some not even 25.



In terms of health and efficiency, EG won't ever be a better defender due to his knees and his 3pt shooting at 45% is pretty much a peak for most people not named curry. He can't drive and slash consistently any longer and has become a pure 3pt shooter. How can he get any better when his body won't allow it to?

Ryan Anderson has continued to improve his offensive skillset, but he's never showed any signs of being a better defender. Even with Howard as an anchor he was a poor defender, we don't have anything remotely close to that in the middle. He is a limited player.

Tyreke has improved his jumpshot and shooting % from 16ft and out, but his shots <16ft has declined drastically, especially within 10ft. His defense also fluctuates, which is correctable. He is arguably our 2nd best player, but this isn't a guy who's going to take a Jimmy Butler or Kawhi Leonard type leap, lets be completely honest.

Jrue was an 18/8 guy in his last year in philly, 14/8 guy in his first year here, and been on a nice tear in his last 2 months fully healthy in who knows how long. He's an efficient point guard who is a damn good defender, but do you ever see him being any more efficient than he has been the past two months? 18.4 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 7.2 apg, and 2.4 tov. That is arguably his best 2 month stretch of his tenure here and him shooting ~10% below his normal 3pt percentage. Give him that 10% he's roughly 20PPG. That is his ceiling.

Omer Asik won't be more than a defensive anchor that boxes out and grabs boards. He's older and he's not going to be an offensive powerhouse in his career and that is okay.

QPon was never better or more efficient than his 45 games last year in any time of his career. He's a good defender, solid 3pt shooter (career 36.5%, last year 43.3%), but he's not going to ever become a 15ppg type player with how many guards we have and AD. He doesn't have the length to grab those boards that these lanky SFs grab either.

Cole is just bad.
Posted by NOLA Bronco
Member since Dec 2014
1898 posts
Posted on 2/25/16 at 1:19 pm to
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Does it? I don't understand that logic. You would think bringing in young veterans would help AD carry more of the load, than Nerlens Noel and Devin Booker fresh out of college. We are talking about Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson, Tyreke Evans, Jrue Holiday, Quincy Pondexter, Omer Asik, and Norris Cole. Another thing is Jrue is not near his "PEAK." Most of the individuals on our team still have a bright future ahead, you are acting like they are over 40 when most aren't 30, some not even 25.

I don't think a young veterans strategy on its face is an awful strategy. It isnt my ideal but if you hit right it could work theoretically.

Demps just didn't hit right. To me a veteran is something much more qualitative then quantitative. Its not just a guy who has been in the league X years. I think a few guys we acquired possess a lot of those veteran qualities but most don't.

The other side to that is what Demps did, he sacrificed other aspects of the organization to accomplish it. Like others have said, drafting and developing players. You are playing with fire if you aren't keeping a steady flow of young talent on rookie contracts coming up through the depth chart and either groomed for bigger things or sold off to keep the machine going or even gain a bigger return on investment.




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