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re: Knowing What we Know now, does Gavrilo Princip pull the Trigger?
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:25 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:25 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Probably not. I'm pretty sure he wasn't trying to start a world war.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:31 pm to TigerintheNO
Princep wanted a unified South Slav State which the Serbs got after the war, lost during the second, regained again and lost again.
He didn't want to bleed the Russians.
There is a new statue to him in East Sarajevo. A hero still to many Serbs.
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He didn't want to bleed the Russians.
There is a new statue to him in East Sarajevo. A hero still to many Serbs.
LINK
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:37 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Yes, Serbs are douchebags.
Signed,
Croatian
Signed,
Croatian
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:44 pm to CroakaBait
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Yes, Serbs are douchebags. Signed, Croatian
That entire area is filled with douchebags.
Signed, the rest of the world.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:48 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
No argument there. 2000 years of douchebaggery. Great gramps got outta there while the gettin was good.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:11 am to NYNolaguy1
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Think of everything that came of it- the space race, the cold war, nuclear deterrants, Berlin Wall, finally a diminished Russia post Cold War that is looking to return to its old glory (Crimea/Ukraine). Definitely all things still affecting us today.
The biggest thing that I've gathered from post-WWII is technology. I mean look at the Cold War. NASA came from it, computers, satellites, etc.
But from WWI I think culturally it changed the world and sparked the technology that defined WWII and the rest of history.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:19 am to tiderider
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he was basically just a kid caught up in nationalism, so he still pulls it ... didn't even get a life sentence ...
He wasn't sentenced to one but he served one
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:22 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Judging by present-day life, does Gavrilo Princip pull the trigger?
That's a great question. The absolute truth of the matter is of course we'll never know. However, and this is just my own opinion based on what I know of the man, I think were he able to see the world that came as a result of his fateful pull of the trigger I think he'd still do it. I say this because of two things. First, he absolutely hated not only the Austro-Hungarian Empire, he hated all empires. Yes he was a "Serb Nationalist" as he himself professed. But in addition to this, much like all of his co-conspirators, he was also influenced by both Anarchist and even early Communist thinkers and writings. So in short, he was a man who wanted to watch the world burn because to him, the world as it was in 1914, was corrupt and he wanted to see the whole social system torn down and remade.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:22 am to TigerFanInSouthland
A general European ware had been brewing since the 1870's. Sarajevo was merely the trigger. If it hadn't started there, it would have started somewhere else.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:24 am to lsu480
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He wasn't sentenced to one but he served one
Well, actually he was too young to receive the death penalty and they did not have a life sentence. Instead he was sentenced to 20 years. Course he was dead in about 4 years due to illness and the deplorable conditions in which he was kept so in that regard it was a life sentence.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 10:30 am
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:27 am to Jim Rockford
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A general European ware had been brewing since the 1870's. Sarajevo was merely the trigger. If it hadn't started there, it would have started somewhere else.
In hindsight you're correct. What's ironic though is right up until the moment armies mobilized and starting marching on their respective frontiers, most of the European leaders and great minds of 1914 considered the idea of a general European war to be impossible. Remember that in 1914 it had been just one year shy of a century since Europe had seen anything like what was to come in WWI.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:38 am to Darth_Vader
Wasn't he like 20 years old? How is he not eligible for the death sentence?
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:40 am to TigerFanInSouthland
You had to be 20 and he was like a week away from his 20th bday
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:40 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Wasn't he like 20 years old? How is he not eligible for the death sentence?
He was 19 at the time he assassinated the Crown Prince and his wife. At that time, per Austro-Hungarian law, you had to be either 20 or maybe 21 to face the death penalty.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:41 am to Darth_Vader
Well ya that's what I said Darth
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:44 am to lsu480
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Well ya that's what I said Darth
I know, I was agreeing with you. I've always found it interesting that the guy who sparked all this only was sentenced to 20 years. You'd think they'd have drug him out in the streets of Sarajevo and shot him there on the spot that same day.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:45 am to Darth_Vader
Communist/Anarchist =/= wanting to see the world burn
I don't buy that his hatred of the then-current socio-political systems around him was to the extent that he'd sign off on roughly 20 million deaths to tear it down. But who knows?
I don't buy that his hatred of the then-current socio-political systems around him was to the extent that he'd sign off on roughly 20 million deaths to tear it down. But who knows?
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:46 am to Darth_Vader
I am sure they were never going to let him get out of jail alive so why fight to change the law?
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:47 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Princip had TB, which was fatal back then. That's why the Black Hand picked him to carry out the assassination: he was a dead man, regardless.
The real issue here is that with the secret alliances, no one had anyway to know that they were about to unleash WWI. Nationalistic strife in the Balkans was nothing new and considering that the Serbs are still taking pot shots today, despite having full knowledge of what happened then, I'd say that Princip or the rest of them wouldn't have given two flying shits then.
The real issue here is that with the secret alliances, no one had anyway to know that they were about to unleash WWI. Nationalistic strife in the Balkans was nothing new and considering that the Serbs are still taking pot shots today, despite having full knowledge of what happened then, I'd say that Princip or the rest of them wouldn't have given two flying shits then.
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