re: Gun dog?

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The hand signaling, force fetch, etc. go out the window for more practical actions.

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I have trained 4 Labs to Finished and of the 3 that got FF, all of them were done by a true pro. FF is not really a project most backyard trainers can do without taking a huge gamble on possibly fricking up their dog.

As for hand signals, it's not that much harder to do blinds if the dog already has a solid foundation to build from. In the end, it's all about time and patience.