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re: Bring back Saban to LSU
Posted on 11/21/07 at 10:16 am to guttata
Posted on 11/21/07 at 10:16 am to guttata
I would still take him back, as posted earlier, in a heartbeat. The man restored LSU to greatness, won a NC, and two SEC championships, and started with a mediocre team. I cannot hate a man who does that. However, if while he's at Bama steals our recruits and starts straight up owning us then I will despise him. But as of now, no... I harbor no hatred towards him. Show me a man who does not want top dollar, and I'll show you a liar.
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Posted on 11/21/07 at 10:22 am to guttata
WHY?
Nick Saban is not the only coach on earth that can win games.
Outside of one magical year, Nick Saban is an average-to-above-average coach. He has continued the same disturbing trends at Bama that were prevalent at LSU:
- Losing to unranked teams, especially at home
- Losing 1-2 games a year before they were even played (mentally lost his players)
- Blaming players when the going gets tough, but taking credit when things are good
- Being a jackass in general
LSU can do better than that. Saban was 48-16 at LSU. In Saban's 3rd year, LSU was woefully unprepared for a QB going down. We lost 5 games that year because Saban, in 3 years, couldn't convince anyone better than Marcus Randall to be our QB. He even let Rick Clausen start a game!!!! Nick Saban is not the answer for LSU. Les Miles is the answer. Any number of small school guys (Leavitt, Peterson, Schiano, Rodriguez) would do the job just as well, and they wouldn't be complete dicks doing it.
Nick Saban is not the only coach on earth that can win games.
Outside of one magical year, Nick Saban is an average-to-above-average coach. He has continued the same disturbing trends at Bama that were prevalent at LSU:
- Losing to unranked teams, especially at home
- Losing 1-2 games a year before they were even played (mentally lost his players)
- Blaming players when the going gets tough, but taking credit when things are good
- Being a jackass in general
LSU can do better than that. Saban was 48-16 at LSU. In Saban's 3rd year, LSU was woefully unprepared for a QB going down. We lost 5 games that year because Saban, in 3 years, couldn't convince anyone better than Marcus Randall to be our QB. He even let Rick Clausen start a game!!!! Nick Saban is not the answer for LSU. Les Miles is the answer. Any number of small school guys (Leavitt, Peterson, Schiano, Rodriguez) would do the job just as well, and they wouldn't be complete dicks doing it.
Posted on 11/21/07 at 10:32 am to DrEdgeLSU
Dr. Edge are you really going to start bringing up facts and getting into this argument of "who did what" while at LSU? Are you really going to deny the fact that Les has inherited a goldmine of talent? Lets give credit where credit is due. Yes, I agree that Les has an incredible record but IMO with the talent that we have he is doing exactly what would be expected of him. With this talent, I agree even the small school guys (Leavitt, Peterson, Schiano, Rodriguez) would be just as successful. Hell, Larry Coker has a NC title. Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl. Neither are considered good, or great coaches, and both have been stuck with the stigma of winning with someone else's talent. I support Miles, because he is our coach. I like him as a person, but I also do not think he is directly responsible for his impressive record in his time that he was here. I think proper credit should be given to the proper people. I see him as the beneficiary of a great coaching staff, and just a freakshow of talent. So far, it works.
Posted on 11/21/07 at 10:36 am to Meursault
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The man restored LSU to greatness, won a NC, and two SEC championships, and started with a mediocre team.
Untrue. That 2000 team was very talented, if undisciplined. If Gerry Dinardo wasn't a total idiot, LSU should have been an 8-10 win team from 1998-1999. Not a 7-win TOTAL team.
Posted on 11/21/07 at 10:41 am to Meursault
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Are you really going to deny the fact that Les has inherited a goldmine of talent?
Talent = dog shite. You have to develop talent, genius. Les Miles has taken the talent left over and turned it into something good. As shown before by some coaches (Dinardo) having talent doesn't mean anything if you can't develop it. Saban likely would have done a similar job of developing it. Besides, 90% of Saban's recruits would have come to LSU if Osama Bin Laden was the coach, and Les Miles has continued that trend. Saban is not the only person that can recruit at LSU.
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I think proper credit should be given to the proper people. I see him as the beneficiary of a great coaching staff, and just a freakshow of talent. So far, it works.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. When was the last time you saw LSU players basically give up when the going got tought? It wasn't under Les Miles, that's for damn sure. Nick Saban is a good coach, has done nothing to show that he is great, and is doing nothing now to make me believe that if he came back here we wouldn't be treated to 2-3 losses per year, with the same superior talent.
Posted on 11/21/07 at 10:41 am to Meursault
"Hell, Larry Coker has a NC title. Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl. Neither are considered good, or great coaches, and both have been stuck with the stigma of winning with someone else's talent."
Barry Switzer is not considered a good coach?
Switzer became head coach at Oklahoma in 1973, leading the team to undefeated seasons that year and the next. Oklahoma won national championships in 1974, 1975 and 1985 under Switzer's leadership. The team won or shared in the Big 8 championship every year from 1973 to 1980. During his sixteen years as head coach at Oklahoma, his teams won eight of the thirteen post-season bowls games they played in, and 54 of his players were selected as All-Americans. In 1978 Billy Sims won the Heisman Trophy. His overall record was 157-29-4.
Barry Switzer is not considered a good coach?
Switzer became head coach at Oklahoma in 1973, leading the team to undefeated seasons that year and the next. Oklahoma won national championships in 1974, 1975 and 1985 under Switzer's leadership. The team won or shared in the Big 8 championship every year from 1973 to 1980. During his sixteen years as head coach at Oklahoma, his teams won eight of the thirteen post-season bowls games they played in, and 54 of his players were selected as All-Americans. In 1978 Billy Sims won the Heisman Trophy. His overall record was 157-29-4.
Posted on 11/21/07 at 10:44 am to tiger_88
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tiger_88
STOP USING FACTS TO SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT.
In the pros, Switzer won a Super Bowl. You don't "inherit" teams in the NFL. Sure, he had a talented team, but it's not like the Cowboys went 16-0 in 1995 and won it all despite their head coach.
Posted on 11/21/07 at 10:45 am to guttata
if saban steps to the podium at lsu, people would rally around him, I know I would. The guy put lsu back into the national spotlight and helped make drastic improvements to our infrastructure. I would forgive him, and totally be behind him.
Posted on 11/21/07 at 10:45 am to Homeboy
traitor 
Posted on 11/21/07 at 10:45 am to DrEdgeLSU
Well lets take a look at the losses that year.
Auburn - made it to the Citrus bowl, while Tubby was in his second year. They were a tough team that year and were slightly better than LSU that year.
UAB - Geez what can I say? Josh Booty?
Florida - Ridiculously good that year
Arkansas - Won the SEC west, lost to Florida, destroyed Texas in the Cotton Bowl.
Of all those games the only one I'd say we shouldda won is UAB, with Ark and Auburn being games that could have gone either way.
To take a team that had one SEC win the previous year, and do what he did the following year is impressive.
Auburn - made it to the Citrus bowl, while Tubby was in his second year. They were a tough team that year and were slightly better than LSU that year.
UAB - Geez what can I say? Josh Booty?
Florida - Ridiculously good that year
Arkansas - Won the SEC west, lost to Florida, destroyed Texas in the Cotton Bowl.
Of all those games the only one I'd say we shouldda won is UAB, with Ark and Auburn being games that could have gone either way.
To take a team that had one SEC win the previous year, and do what he did the following year is impressive.
Posted on 11/21/07 at 10:46 am to tiger_88
I agree he was a hell of a college coach, but in the Pros he was, and still is, considered by Cowboys fans to be a mistake. I brought up Switzer as an example of what happens at any level of play where someone 'takes over' with a ridiculous talent pool, and what happens over time.
This post was edited on 11/21/07 at 10:48 am
Posted on 11/21/07 at 10:52 am to Meursault
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To take a team that had one SEC win the previous year, and do what he did the following year is impressive.
You are right, it was impressive, but that team in 1999 was not as bad as their record shows.
They took #10 UGA down to the wire and lost 23-22 IN ATHENS.
They took #12 MSU down to the wire and lost 17-16 on a phantom TD IN STARKVILLE.
They took #12 Alabama down to the wire and lost 23-17 IN TUSCALOOSA.
They beat #17 Arkansas 35-10 in the last game of the year with basically the same team that went 8-4 the next year.
8 pts from being a 4-4 SEC team and 6-5 overall. Sorry, but the team didn't change much from 1999 to 2000. Saban brought discipline to a very talented group of players.
Posted on 11/21/07 at 10:55 am to sheek
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I would forgive him, and totally be behind him.
Don't get me wrong, I would support the guy. I just am not and will not be convinced that he is the best we can do.
Posted on 11/21/07 at 11:00 am to tiger4life1982
Would you want your ex back after she had an affair with your friend / enemy?
Why would you want him back?
Besides you know what a snake he really is.
He has never sustained a program.
He loses 3 games a year (including UAB and ULM).
Why would you want him back?
Besides you know what a snake he really is.
He has never sustained a program.
He loses 3 games a year (including UAB and ULM).
Posted on 11/21/07 at 11:04 am to Tiger_in_Texas
All I need to know about Nick Saban is that in his 3rd year, his team was woefully unprepared for losing a starting QB and in his 5th year, he led LSU to some awful victories over bad teams with as much talent as Les Miles had in 2005. I think having Muschamp as DC was vital to winning a title, and having Jimbo became a liability.
Maybe if Saban came back and kept Crowton on and hired Muschamp back, then we'd be set.
Maybe if Saban came back and kept Crowton on and hired Muschamp back, then we'd be set.
Posted on 11/21/07 at 11:06 am to Tiger_in_Texas
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He loses 3 games a year (including UAB and ULM).
Good point, but he was also taking over a program that had back 2 back losing seasons, won the sec in his 2nd year and obviously we know what happened next few years. Saban obviously regrets leaving lsu and i think if lombardi calls he will answer.
This post was edited on 11/21/07 at 11:08 am
Posted on 11/21/07 at 11:07 am to Tiger_in_Texas
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Would you want your ex back after she had an affair with your friend / enemy?
Comparing interpersonnal relationships to running a business are completely different things and decisions would (and SHOULD) be made differently.
Posted on 11/21/07 at 11:09 am to sheek
I support Saban 
I think he's going to lead us to many more NCs if he has the chance to coach this team
I think he's going to lead us to many more NCs if he has the chance to coach this team
Posted on 11/21/07 at 11:14 am to NationalChampionLSU
They should offer it to him and get him to announce he is leaving Alabama and then tell him no, just to piss off BAMA
Posted on 11/21/07 at 11:22 am to NationalChampionLSU
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I think he's going to lead us to many more NCs if he has the chance to coach this team
yes, because it is so easy to win national championships. What on Saban's resume makes you think he has the ability/desire to stay in one place long enough to do this?
What, on anyone's resume in the past 30 years, makes you think that LSU will win many more NC's anytime soon? Consider that ZERO schools have won more than one BCS title since 1998. LSU has an opportunity to be the first to have 2. Many more NC's is unlikely.
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