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re: Can We Be Honest Regarding LSU & Alabama?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:19 pm to Penrod
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:19 pm to Penrod
quote:Based on the effectiveness up until that point we all thought we would do better than the shite we saw. But when you play in a phone booth like we do, it's much harder.
I don't know about the coaches, but the sentiment on the Rant was certainly that we would have success on the ground.
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:22 pm to poochie
You must not have been around during the Bear years at LSU...1400 days and waiting? Pffttt.
Look, Bama is burning the candle at both ends, and has been for quite a while. It can't last forever, and it won't.
Best thing that could happen to the SEC is let Saban have one or two more Championships, and then he'll have had enough and will put himself out to pasture.
But to lose or force LM out because he can't beat Saban is history repeating itself with Charlie Mac and Bryant.
LSU won't make that mistake again.
Besides, you guys think that Nick loves Bama?
Cuz he doesn't. It's obvious he feels he is superior to the fans - like he did at LSU - and he wishes he could be proud of the state and people who cheer for him - not that he would ever find one.
Don't you know the fans are scared to death that he will hang it up soon, or worse, his ego get so inflated he thinks he can try the NFL again? and they will be back to the merry-go-round to try and find the next miracle worker, and pay him a gazzilion dollars to coach?
Saban can't keep up this pace much longer, it's just the laws of nature. His stress level, win-at-all-costs job environment is killing him already.
For me, I'll keep the man that reps my Alma Mater the way LM does, and wins, wins, wins at the same time.
Look, Bama is burning the candle at both ends, and has been for quite a while. It can't last forever, and it won't.
Best thing that could happen to the SEC is let Saban have one or two more Championships, and then he'll have had enough and will put himself out to pasture.
But to lose or force LM out because he can't beat Saban is history repeating itself with Charlie Mac and Bryant.
LSU won't make that mistake again.
Besides, you guys think that Nick loves Bama?
Cuz he doesn't. It's obvious he feels he is superior to the fans - like he did at LSU - and he wishes he could be proud of the state and people who cheer for him - not that he would ever find one.
Don't you know the fans are scared to death that he will hang it up soon, or worse, his ego get so inflated he thinks he can try the NFL again? and they will be back to the merry-go-round to try and find the next miracle worker, and pay him a gazzilion dollars to coach?
Saban can't keep up this pace much longer, it's just the laws of nature. His stress level, win-at-all-costs job environment is killing him already.
For me, I'll keep the man that reps my Alma Mater the way LM does, and wins, wins, wins at the same time.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:30 pm to 19
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You must not have been around during the Bear years at LSU...1400 days and waiting? Pfftt
I wasn't. And I don't care about that. I care about what's going on now. We can't change what happened in the past. We can change what's happening currently.
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Look, Bama is burning the candle at both ends, and has been for quite a while. It can't last forever, and it won't.
We've been saying that since 2008 and they're still at the same pace. But yeah, let's just keep waiting. Let's not try to get better.
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Best thing that could happen to the SEC is let Saban have one or two more Championships, and then he'll have had enough and will put himself out to pasture.
Or we can try to do better, change things up, maybe call some new plays or try to scheme them differently. I'm not even calling for his head, just let's try SOMETHING NEW!
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But to lose or force LM out because he can't beat Saban is history repeating itself with Charlie Mac and Bryant. LSU won't make that mistake again. Besides, you guys think that Nick loves Bama? Cuz he doesn't. It's obvious he feels he is superior to the fans - like he did at LSU - and he wishes he could be proud of the state and people who cheer for him - not that he would ever find one. Don't you know the fans are scared to death that he will hang it up soon, or worse, his ego get so inflated he thinks he can try the NFL again? and they will be back to the merry-go-round to try and find the next miracle worker, and pay him a gazzilion dollars to coach? Saban can't keep up this pace much longer, it's just the laws of nature. His stress level, win-at-all-costs job environment is killing him already. For me, I'll keep the man that reps my Alma Mater the way LM does, and wins, wins, wins at the same time.
Jesus, this is such a defeatist mentality.... Just let them keep on destroying us and not do anything because one day, one day it'll be over.
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:38 pm to 19
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frick, I wish I could downvote you 100000 times with this pussy attitude. You're what's wrong with our program!
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:41 pm to poochie
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You're what's wrong with our program!
Not that I disagree, but how is an anonymous fan on an internet website "what's wrong" with our program?
I mean, i see other idiots on this website claiming that negativity is affecting the program....its nonsense.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:44 pm to RedTigerRulz
I mean just the attitude of "oh well golly, we don't want to do anything that might make us worse than our perennial #2 spot so let's just sit here and wait it out. Don't you remember the 1970's? Oh woe is me...". This attitude is apparent in fan postings, play calling, conversations with the media between coaches and admins. The "we're just happy to be here" attitude.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:49 pm to inadaze
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One thing I'll say about your complacency angle is that you have to realize that different people have different expectations. Some people feel okay about being good, but not the best. Others are not satisfied with playing second fiddle to Alabama.
What are you, individually going to do about it, inadaze? Cry on a message board? I'm sure LSU is going to notice your intense fan dedication and will to win. You inspire our guys to achieve more, bro.
Before I dive into your asinine defense of all the other SEC teams, let me preface it by saying that I'm well aware of where other programs are in this conference relative to LSU. Trying to discredit what I'm saying is pretty pointless, because anyone can pull numbers with arbitrary parameters to make a case. The underlying point was this: you would not trade being an LSU fan for being a fan of these other programs. If you can say, "AlexLSU, I would rather be a fan of program X because Y," then I'll take your thoughts into consideration. You won't say that though, because you wouldn't switch places with fricking Auburn, Tennessee or South Carolina, you goddamn imbecile. Anywho...
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They have really struggled this year, but they did have the great season in 2013 (12-2, SEC Champions). Even with their struggles this year, their record in league games is on par with LSU since Malzahn has been the coach.
SEC Record Since 2013
Auburn - 13-9
LSU - 13-8
Auburn is on the downswing, while LSU is improving. Miles is an established coach, and LSU is an established program. Auburn has had three coaches since Les has been here, and though they caught lightning in a bottle twice since Miles has been here, the history of their program has been a tale of feast or famine. Would you trade Auburn's current situation for LSU?
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What is your basis for saying this?
The state of Arkansas does not produce a lot of big-time college players year in, year out. Louisiana yearly has many more college prospects. I'm talking about much more than double. If you ran the numbers (and obviously it would depend on time frame and qualifiers) it would probably be somewhere around quintuple-decuple, maybe more.
Since 2007, LSU's record vs. Arkansas is 4-4.
2007 is another arbitrary time frame to make your case, which is weak at best. We're 6-4 against in Miles tenure, or 1-1 since Bielema arrived. We've been a better team since both Les has been here and Beliema has been there. You are right that underachiever was a poor choice of word. Arkansas is more irrelevant than underachieving.
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Mullen has done a good job with MSU.
SEC Record Last 3 Years
MSU - 12-9
LSU - 13-8
If he's done a "good job," then why just the last three years? He's been there since 2009, bro.
4 years:
16-13
19-10
5 years:
18-19
28-10
Well god damn, your case is getting worse and worse the further we go back, isn't it? But again, three years was convenient for your piss-poor argument. I'll ask, would you trade Miss St's current situation for LSU's?
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They're relatively inconsistent, but Ole Miss and LSU have the same amount of conference wins over the past 3 years.
First of all, this isn't even true. Ole Miss has lost two this year, three last year and five the year before. That's 12-10, LSU is 13-8. But over the past four years (the amount of time their current coach has actually been at the school), LSU is 18-11 while OM is 15-15. Again, you're making up random time frames to make a stupid case. You also wouldn't switch LSU's situation for Ole Miss', would you?
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A big part of LSU's success vs. Texas A&M was John Chavis' defensive style. As a coordinator, he matched up very well with A&M's offensive style. It will be interesting to see how LSU defends A&M this year (if A&M is clicking on O).
Records Since 2012
Texas A&M - 34-14
LSU - 35-12
No we're throwing in total records! They're 16-14 in the SEC, LSU is 19-10. We also own them head-to-head, out recruit them and look like we're heading in a more positive direction. But you'd trade LSU's situation for A&M, correct?
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True.
They do have more conference wins than LSU since 2012, and one top-10 finish (LSU - 0)
Why 2012? Let's use 2013 since we're all about making up random time frames to make a case. Oh boy, LSU has more now! Here's another: LSU is undefeated ALL TIME against Jim McElwain at UF. Playing in the East has nothing to do with their success, either. They'd have the same record in the West I bet. Did you mention that UF has exactly one more 4-8 season than LSU since 2013? That's a cool stat. You'd rather have Florida's situation, yeah?
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Records Since 2012
Georgia - 36-13 (Eastern Division Champions in 2012)
LSU - 35-12
I guess their record in 2012 has bearing on their program currently being in disarray somehow? Notice how I said "is" in disarray and not "has been," right? Probably not, because you have shite for brains.
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Fantastic analysis, Alex.
Tennessee is improving. They play hard, and they've lost some close games this year.
They played Alabama much closer and tougher than LSU did.
Go ahead and print Tennessee's "We've lost four games, but we played Alabama close!" shirts for this season baw! Since Miles has been at LSU, Tennessee has had six losing seasons. But hey, they're improving to 5-4 through nine games! I'm sure their fans would tell us to frick off if we offered our 7-1 record (with a 14 point loss to Bama) for their 5-4 record (with a 5 point loss to Bama), though. quote:
More Internet snark from Alex. LOL.
Records Since 2012
South Carolina - 32-16
LSU - 35-12
USC has had two 11-win seasons since 2012 (LSU - 0), and two top-10 finishes since 2012 (LSU - 0).
So even when you bend the time frame for South Carolina, we still have an advantage? Ahh, but you did come up with the two 11-win seasons stat for credibility. South Carolina is the definition of mediocre. The fact that you're trying to build a case for them is laughable. BTW, the reason I put "LOL" for these teams is because it's fricking laughable to suggest they have a better situation than LSU. Only a moron (you) would argue otherwise.
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There's that squirrelly snark again.
11-Win Seasons Since 2012
Missouri - 2
LSU - 0
First-Place Finishes in Division Since 2012
Missouri - 2
LSU - 0
SEC West = SEC East I suppose. There's nothing left to say, you'd clearly prefer the way Mizzou's program is built and operating over LSU. At least the mascot transition will be seamless for you.
In summation, in my 10+ years as a member of this board, I've rarely seen posts that encompass what it means to be an awful poster better than yours. You would still choose LSU over all the programs you tried arguing for, so what was the point?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:58 pm to inadaze
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I completely disagree. I doubt that you have good reasoning for saying this. Maybe you're just repeating something that you've heard. Miles has done some things in the past that have worked against Alabama, but I don't think he's capable of "out-scheming" Saban.
Well we statistically dominated them in every possible category in 2012. More first downs, more yards, higher 3rd down conversion rate, less turnovers, more TOP. We also threw the ball 35 times that game and had nearly 300 yards passing when Bama loaded up on the run. We attacked them one-on-one with Jarvis and Odell. This is the game we absolutely should have won more than any other in this losing streak.
Last year, it was more what they did wrong than what we did right. We stuck with the run (and had success), they abandoned it. If you want to blame Kiffin then go right ahead, but it's Saban's team. They threw the ball 45 times with Blake Sims and were lucky to win that game.
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Since 2011, the LSU running game has consistently stalled vs. Alabama (even when LSU matched up well along the LOS/in the run game), and there haven't been significant adjustments to get it going. With Miles-style ball, the running game is vital to LSU's success.
In 2011, we had 148 rushing yards to their 96. In 2012, although they outrushed us, Hill rushed for 100+. Last year, we rushed for 183 to their 106. Our rushing hasn't been as bad as you'd like to believe.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:59 pm to AlexLSU
quote:We've still lost 5 in a row.
In 2012, although they outrushed us, Hill rushed for 100+. Last year, we rushed for 183 to their 106. Our rushing hasn't been as bad as you'd like to believe.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 3:00 pm to AlexLSU
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Why 2012? Let's use 2013 since we're all about making up random time frames to make a case. Oh boy, LSU has more now! Here's another: LSU is undefeated ALL TIME against Jim McElwain at UF. Playing in the East has nothing to do with their success, either. They'd have the same record in the West I bet. Did you mention that UF has exactly one more 4-8 season than LSU since 2013? That's a cool stat. You'd rather have Florida's situation, yeah?
Not being an LSU guy I don't have to worry about this, but between UF or LSU, it's a no brainer. UF is light years ahead.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 3:04 pm to doghouse_4x4
dog house - Please explain... light years ahead in what?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 3:06 pm to Canwoodtiger
Favorable situation. Recruiting advantage. History of SEC success and championships. You name it.
Now, I actually like LSU, which most Tiger fans will probably not believe, but it's true, and I despise Floriduh. But in terms of historical success, UF is way ahead.
Now, I actually like LSU, which most Tiger fans will probably not believe, but it's true, and I despise Floriduh. But in terms of historical success, UF is way ahead.
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 11/10/15 at 3:10 pm to AlexLSU
Q. Do the gumps have a better football program overall compared to LSU?
A. Yes, clearly.
Q. Is it so much better that it justifies 5 straight losses?
A. Absolutely not.
A. Yes, clearly.
Q. Is it so much better that it justifies 5 straight losses?
A. Absolutely not.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 3:24 pm to ColeCoushCoush
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Q. Do the gumps have a better football program overall compared to LSU?
A. Yes, clearly.
Q. Is it so much better that it justifies 5 straight losses?
A. Absolutely not.
I agree completely. Again, I'm not saying we should have lost all five games. I'm saying that if we do lose these games it doesn't define our program. They are the standard in college football, so losing five straight to them is not like losing five straight to Ole Miss, Florida, Auburn, etc. Notice we don't really have losing streaks to other teams? Bama is the best of the best and puts extra emphasis on LSU every single season. Saban knows that we are their biggest hurdle, and he prepares them accordingly. For some reason, LSU did not look prepared for a game of this magnitude on Saturday.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 3:31 pm to AlexLSU
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Bama is better than everyone, not just LSU
LSU fans are unrealistic and unwilling to accept that we probably should lose when you play one of the GOAT coaches with GOAT talent every year
Every team has flaws and shortcomings, so don't maximize our own while marginalizing others' flaws
No kidding. The consternation comes in knowing that we would have had an historic run if that little frick hadn't flunked out of the NFL and decided to return to the SEC. Everyone realizes that they are better than us. But we're year-to-year probably second. And all any prince who was worth a damn ever wanted to be was King.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 3:31 pm to AlexLSU
Can We Be Honest Regarding LSU & Alabama?
Yes, Alabama owns LSU, Bama doesn't own Ole Miss or Texas A&M, but they own LSU especially the ways they humiliate LSU. Charlie MCClendon loss to one Bama's greatest teams 3-0, but Charlie was never humiliated by any Bama team.
Yes, Alabama owns LSU, Bama doesn't own Ole Miss or Texas A&M, but they own LSU especially the ways they humiliate LSU. Charlie MCClendon loss to one Bama's greatest teams 3-0, but Charlie was never humiliated by any Bama team.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 3:32 pm to doghouse_4x4
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Now, I actually like LSU, which most Tiger fans will probably not believe, but it's true, and I despise Floriduh. But in terms of historical success, UF is way ahead.
I've seen it all now.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 3:44 pm to AlexLSU
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What are you, individually going to do about it, inadaze? Cry on a message board? I'm sure LSU is going to notice your intense fan dedication and will to win. You inspire our guys to achieve more, bro.
He's not crying, he provided a pretty thorough case for why your assertion that LSU is far and away the better team than all but one team in the SEC is misguided. I don't know why I have to keep saying this, but he's a football fan. It's very transparent to a neutral observer that LSU has an embarrassment of riches that 95% of current or aspiring head coaches would kill for. Embedded in the ethos of being a fan is the idea that maybe you can have some pretty high expectations, anyway. But having these types of expectations, as high as they may be, is something that is supported by a lot of logic that is well doumented. It's not surprising that some fans who know what this program is capable of are frustrated by routinely poor management and underperformance given the advantages and compensation Miles has enjoyed since he stepped foot on campus.
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 11/10/15 at 3:52 pm to AlexLSU
Very accurate post. We are in the midst of the most successful run/Coach in our program's history, yet people feel ENTITLED to more. We're not. Winning championships is not easy, and there are other programs with richer history than ours - if it were easy, Bama would do it every year (since they have the best recruits and the best coach).
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 11/10/15 at 3:53 pm to YouAre8Up
It's hard to believe people still fall into the "next year" trap. Next year we will have no LBs. That alone is huge. Our offense will be the same and there will always be the same game plan....wait for it....wait for it....run straight up the middle over and over no matter what until we lose. It blows my mind how a huge program like LSU can't manage to even find a kicker now.
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