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What do you think was the cause for the arse whooping in the trenches?
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:33 pm
Both our D and O lines are as talented or better than any of the teams that have had more success against bama this year, but they got ABUSED last night. Some people have suggested depth, but they were getting pushed around from the start. This is really a head scratcher for me. Looked like Bama just wanted it more, which is puzzling since we're the ones who have lost the last 4. I'm not shocked that we lost, but I never thought I'd see physical domination like that with so much on the line
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Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:35 pm to Grim
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Both our D and O lines are as talented or better than any of the teams that have had more success against bama this year, but they got ABUSED last night. Some people have suggested depth, but they were getting pushed around from the start. This is really a head scratcher for me. Looked like Bama just wanted it more, which is puzzling since we're the ones who have lost the last 4. I'm not shocked that we lost, but I never thought I'd see physical domination like that with so much on the line
That's the common theme from most fans about last nights game and no one seems to have a valid answer. I saw Pocic, a very good center get pushed back 5 yards into Harris like he was a rag doll.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:37 pm to Revelator
Im just struggling for answers. That might just be the best college defensive line I've ever seen.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:37 pm to Grim
Short Answer: Coaching.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:38 pm to Grim
I think once Ole Miss lost it motivated Alabama more. They knew they had to win that game, and they played with a great amount of intensity. Our team looked almost disinterested. I'm not sure if they had the mentality that they were undefeated and the better team, or were just that unprepared. Either way, it was ugly. It was obvious that once Harris threw the interception to start the second half that the game was over. I think we all knew that Miles would go even further into conservative mode. I'm not sure how he thinks his run heavy gameplan against Alabama was going to work. Really, the most irritating part was he may have cost Fournette the Heisman with that pathetic gameplan.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:39 pm to dstone12
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Short Answer: Coaching.
Sad thing is, you probably believe that.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:39 pm to Grim
The three 4*+ 315+lbs d-linemen had something to do with it I'm sure.
Our offensive line wasn't strong enough to move them. And it appears LaCouture was the only defensive line player that finally figured out what level of intensity was needed to play against Bama.
Our offensive line wasn't strong enough to move them. And it appears LaCouture was the only defensive line player that finally figured out what level of intensity was needed to play against Bama.
This post was edited on 11/8/15 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:39 pm to Grim
Short answer: Talent
Our front 7 is just not that talented when compared to the Bama DL. Our OL specifically plays in a scheme that just doesn't work when you're out talented. Spread teams mask that deficiency by using wider splits and getting the ball out quickly.
How many 1st rounders in the Bama front 7? 2 this season and maybe another 2 that rotate in. How many 1st rounders on our OL? Zero linemen and Fournette?
Our front 7 is just not that talented when compared to the Bama DL. Our OL specifically plays in a scheme that just doesn't work when you're out talented. Spread teams mask that deficiency by using wider splits and getting the ball out quickly.
How many 1st rounders in the Bama front 7? 2 this season and maybe another 2 that rotate in. How many 1st rounders on our OL? Zero linemen and Fournette?
This post was edited on 11/8/15 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:40 pm to dstone12
Coaching is the lazy answer. Coaching didn't make our linemen get pushed 3 yards back from the LOS. It wasn't even so much that the box was constantly loaded as it was guys on the line getting physically beat 1 on 1
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:41 pm to BHSU Only
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Im just struggling for answers. That might just be the best college defensive line I've ever seen.
But Chubs had 180 plus on this same line and Georgia is bad!
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:41 pm to Grim
For the offensive line's whipping, it is really tough to start majority of your drives deep in your own territory. Defense knows you are a running team and not willing to take a chance putting the ball in the air with the poor field position. So, defensive line are playing the run, linebackers are filling the gaps playing run and the safeties are moving forward towards the line before the ball is snapped. Don't care if we have the NE Patriots dressed in purple/gold last night....six lineman cannot block nine defensive players off the line.
Defensive line last night think depth was an issue.
Defensive line last night think depth was an issue.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:41 pm to CaroTiger
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pathetic gameplan.
You mean the same game plan we've had all season? You don't reinvent your offensive scheme in two weeks. You hone it, add a few wrinkles, and expect the players to execute. Ours didn't, Bamas did.
This post was edited on 11/8/15 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:41 pm to Grim
The best run defense in college football leaned run. It's why you have to have balance on offense. Doesn't matter how good your O-line is if the defense knows whats coming.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:43 pm to Grim
I am beginning to think their strength and conditioning program is superior to ours.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:45 pm to bmy
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Our front 7 is just not that talented when compared to the Bama DL. Our OL specifically plays in a scheme that just doesn't work when you're out talented. Spread teams mask that deficiency by using wider splits and getting the ball out quickly.
How many 1st rounders in the Bama front 7? 2 this season and maybe another 2 that rotate in. How many 1st rounders on our OL? Zero linemen and Fournette?
Of course they're talented but how do you explain Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Arkansas being so much more competitive?
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I think once Ole Miss lost it motivated Alabama more. They knew they had to win that game, and they played with a great amount of intensity. Our team looked almost disinterested.
This is more what I'm thinking. In 2011,2012, and 2014 I think bama had the more talented teams but our guys showed up and played like they wanted it. They had every reason to be fired up last night but they came out flat
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:46 pm to dstone12
On the d-line, recruiting. No secret LSU was thin there due to Chavis' preference not recruiting much and when he did for for smaller, D-linemen. On the O-line I have no clue. But no doubt the huge Bama d-line ate up LSU's O-line.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:48 pm to Revelator
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But Chubs had 180 plus on this same line and Georgia is bad!
Nick Chubb had 140 and 87 came on one play. Uga is/was more balanced than us so Bama had to scheme that. Oh, and maybe ugas o-line outplayed ours against the same team.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:48 pm to Mattwells90
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Coaching is the lazy answer. Coaching didn't make our linemen get pushed 3 yards back from the LOS. It wasn't even so much that the box was constantly loaded as it was guys on the line getting physically beat 1 on 1
Not lazy, just correct.
If you say that talent pushed our talent around, then coaching didn't recruit well enough to get over the Bama hump.
If you say their scheme was better, then that's coaching.
It's fruitless for guys like you to look beyond coaching.
EVERY team takes on the personality of its coach. Bama's players and coaches are fearful of failing Saban. It shows.
Miles' players want to reward him for being so cool to them, I suppose.
Which strategy has worked since Saban went to Tuscaloosa? Don't overthink this.
This post was edited on 11/8/15 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:49 pm to DEG
That gameplan worked all season because we had the superior talent. Last night we did not, and not a single thing was done to give us an advantage. Being a little more creative on offense is not abandoning everything we have done all season. It is making adjustments according to who we are playing. We played against a very good run defense. But by all means, let's come out and keep running into a brick wall.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:51 pm to DEG
It's more than just coaching. Hawkins was getting abused by Robinson all night. And when I say abused I mean he would go straight through him and knock him on his arse on several plays. It seems they had a strength advantage on the line we couldn't touch. Is it bc they recruit better, better technique or just flat out stronger than us across the board?
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