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re: Making the Leap - Josh Hill
Posted on 7/6/15 at 8:27 pm to BRL79
Posted on 7/6/15 at 8:27 pm to BRL79
"Game Rewind suggests that Hill is a strong fit for how Payton uses his pass-catching tight ends"
Even though they are talking about pre-season, I "Game-rewound" every single Hill catch and target from the regular season the other day.
Not his fault, but almost each TD was a set up play by using decoys. 2 of them were play action wide open little out routes to the right as he was a blocker vs Chicago (same play actually).
One was a deep ball with absolutely no one near him from horrible coverage vs. Minn (granted it was a well designed play).
One vs. Dallas when we were down 31-3. Same little play action out right to the right underneath, started as a blocker. He actually showed pretty good speed in this one to get to the pylon beating the line backers.
Can't remember the last.
But just about every catch he started in the backfield or behind the tackle as a blocker. Some type of mis direction. A short underneath route to him.
What I struggle with, and what concerns me is with how talented Payton makes him out to be, why didn't we see more instances of him lining up in the slot, or more Jimmy -esque routes, especially once Cooks went down.
I'm not an OC, nor am I saying he will suck. But that's where my concerns come from and why I'm not as bullish on him as others are.
Even though they are talking about pre-season, I "Game-rewound" every single Hill catch and target from the regular season the other day.
Not his fault, but almost each TD was a set up play by using decoys. 2 of them were play action wide open little out routes to the right as he was a blocker vs Chicago (same play actually).
One was a deep ball with absolutely no one near him from horrible coverage vs. Minn (granted it was a well designed play).
One vs. Dallas when we were down 31-3. Same little play action out right to the right underneath, started as a blocker. He actually showed pretty good speed in this one to get to the pylon beating the line backers.
Can't remember the last.
But just about every catch he started in the backfield or behind the tackle as a blocker. Some type of mis direction. A short underneath route to him.
What I struggle with, and what concerns me is with how talented Payton makes him out to be, why didn't we see more instances of him lining up in the slot, or more Jimmy -esque routes, especially once Cooks went down.
I'm not an OC, nor am I saying he will suck. But that's where my concerns come from and why I'm not as bullish on him as others are.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:11 pm to Zoltan
Well we did have Jimmy so I don't think its weird we wouldn't feature the back up more. To me it depends on what your expectations are for Hill. I don't think Payton expects Hill to be Jimmy. If he was comparing him to Jimmy then that would make me skeptical. I think Payton just believes that Hill is just as talented or can at least be as productive as the TE's that just came out. I don't think that is a stretch. Payton has seen a lot more of Hill than we have and if he believes Hill is capable then I'll take his word on it.
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