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We defeated the Nazis and the Japanese COMBINED in four years. How anyone can still believe that we haven't been able to beat a bunch of thugs over a 14-year period (and counting) is beyond me.

Our military is neither structurally nor morally well-equipped to defeat an insurgent population.

Are you trying to tell me that the greatest and most well-funded military in the history of man can't defeat a bunch of thugs?
How is it even possible that anyone would believe this?

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To "win" in that case we'd have to act with a kind of brutality that would hardly win friends and influence people abroad, and would be swiftly rejected at home.

So, after 9/11 our goal was to win friends abroad?
I can say with some certainty that after 9/11 there was next to nothing we could have done over there that would have been "swiftly rejected at home."
And yet 14 years later (and still counting) we're still over there.
You would literally have to be borderline retarded to still buy this steaming pile of propaganda.

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Posted by Scream4LSU

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Posted on 4/21/15 at 8:39 am to TX Tiger

How anyone can still believe that we haven't been able to beat a bunch of thugs over a 14-year period (and counting) is beyond me.

Then you really don't have a clue bout the middle east then. WWII was not a religiously motivated war that had roots back 1000 years. Plus that was an Allied force that you can't really comprehend. These aren't conventional armies in uniforms these are guerrilla insurgents that aren't lining up toe to toe with us. These are radical religiously motivated groups. Just the sectarian battle among Muslims will always undermine any complete victory as you keep alluding to. Even if we wipe out what we think is the existence of any of these groups given enough time they will sprout up again. These groups have no government we can overthrow and replace.

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Posted by Bayou Sam

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Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:02 am to TX Tiger

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So, after 9/11 our goal was to win friends abroad?
I can say with some certainty that after 9/11 there was next to nothing we could have done over there that would have been "swiftly rejected at home."
And yet 14 years later (and still counting) we're still over there.
You would literally have to be borderline retarded to still buy this steaming pile of propaganda.

Well, you can't destroy the sources of ISIS militarily, unless you brutally repress the Sunni people of the region. You can destroy the organization, but you'll just have a new organization in a few years.

OF COURSE you need allies in the region. "You would literally have to be borderline retarded" not to understand this basic fact of geopolitics.

And OF COURSE Americans would not be willing to brutally repress the population. And again: what would be the point?? You can't bring "democracy" to a region by depopulating it, and if we don't want to bring "democracy" there, why are we there?

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