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It's been awhile since I've read it but how many people actually know who was stationed at the TOJ? Obviously the Kingsguard was with Rhaegar out in the war but Tywin was marching to and the storming Kingslanding at that time. Is it possible that only Ned and Reed knew who was stationed at the TOJ?

I don't see how. Surely to god they would have kept tabs on where each and every member of the Kingsguard was. Plus 5 members of Ned's party was killed at the tower, plus his sister. And they certainly knew that Arthur Dayne was there, since it's well known Ned returned Dawn to Starfall where Ashara Dayne killed herself.

If I had to take a guess why Ashara killed herself, when the Tyrells and Redwynes were defeated at Storm's End, Ashara knew where her brother was and why he was there, and sent a raven to Ned in order to get her brother spared. When Ned more or less came alone to the Tower of Joy instead of an army at his back, that is why Arthur had a sad smile on his face, knowing that Ashara sent him the message on where to find him, but also that he meant to do this honorably. When Ned returned with Dawn, she felt as if she directly killed her brother, and the man she loved killed her brother, so she killed herself.

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Posted by Antonio Moss

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Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:39 am to OMLandshark

Again, it's been awhile since I've read it, so forgive me if I make a mistake but:

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Surely to god they would have kept tabs on where each and every member of the Kingsguard was.

Who would be keeping tabs? The Kingsguard left KL with Rhaegar. From there, only Rhaegar would have authority to position them.

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Plus 5 members of Ned's party was killed at the tower, plus his sister. And they certainly knew that Arthur Dayne was there, since it's well known Ned returned Dawn to Starfall where Ashara Dayne killed herself.

Yes, but it's not know whether Ned told Ashara Dayne where Author Dayne was killed and why.

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If I had to take a guess why Ashara killed herself, when the Tyrells and Redwynes were defeated at Storm's End, Ashara knew where her brother was and why he was there, and sent a raven to Ned in order to get her brother spared. When Ned more or less came alone to the Tower of Joy instead of an army at his back, that is why Arthur had a sad smile on his face, knowing that Ashara sent him the message on where to find him, but also that he meant to do this honorably. When Ned returned with Dawn, she felt as if she directly killed her brother, and the man she loved killed her brother, so she killed herself.

Maybe. Or she isn't dead. Or she killed herself because Ned refused her and decided to return to Catelyn.

I'm just not sure as many people know of the circumstances of the TOJ as assumed. And if they knowledge is only held by Ned and Reed, then Tywin wouldn't have anyway of knowing.

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