re: Draft "Rumor" about the Saints possibly moving up to 5th

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You are making a false argument. None of those players you are showng are JUST pass rushers. LT had 9 picks for crying out loud.

I'm not against taking a great pass rusher IF he can also play other phases of the game, like the guys you are showing.

I'm 100% against taking someone who is just a pass rusher as those guys rarely work out. If you can't play at least two phases of the game on defense you aren't going to last.

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I made this exact same point to his exact same set of pictures in another thread. He lists guys that were 3 Down players as his evidence that 1-dimensional pass rushers will be great.

So he addresses your contention with:

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Where did I saw LT was strictly a pass rusher? He was the most versatile OLB to ever play. Ware, Thomas, Miller & Suggs are all strictly pass rushers.

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1. remove LT from your list then, and

2. Suggs, Matthews and Miller are NOT 1 dimensional pass rushers. I can not speak to Derrick Thomas, because I do now know enough about his play against the run; however, Ware to my understanding was solid in run support along with pass rush.


here is a list of every down LB's Notice that Matthews, Miller and Suggs are on this list. (on a side note, I follow the Broncos, and I assure you Miller is considered the real deal in Denver, not just a pass rusher.) This list by this website was comprised by using PFF's stats. I found it with a simple google search, and it was the first website available with many others to look through.

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According to Pro Football Focus, 45% of all defensive snaps last year were played in a nickel formation, with an additional 12% in a dime look. This means that linebackers who don't play in subpackages are in danger of missing 50%+ of their team's defensive snaps. Since this dramatic decrease in playing time is a huge blow to a player's value, it becomes critical that we continually track which players are staying on the field on a near every down basis.


Denver: Von Miller

Baltimore: Terrell Suggs

Green Bay: Clay Matthews

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and here is an article in 2011 detailing Ware as the number 1 in run stop rate

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DeMarcus Ware was 'good enough' an amazing 91% of the time.

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and funny enough, the next sentece references again a player you keep touting as a "pass rush only guy"

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The number two player on the list, Baltimore's Terrell Suggs had a 85% RSR

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So what we have here is you seeing all star players that are and have been sack leaders as strictly pass rushers due to them being sack leaders. In actuality, these players are the exact thing I an others are championing: OLB's that are not just pass rushers but are 3 down players that will stop the run as well. These guys aren't going to be called upon to pass defend as much as a MLB, but you can't disregard the necessity for them to defend their zone when they are called upon to do so.

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The part you fail to see is that if every guy I pictured were in this draft, it would be the same posters with the same shite calling them one dimensional pass rushers.

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the part you fail to see is that 5 of the 6 guys you picture are the exact thing we are stating the Saints SHOULD draft with a first round pick.