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re: Kurt Cobain - Montage of Heck
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:12 pm to northshorebamaman
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:12 pm to northshorebamaman
I watched it. Couple of points:
Some of this is exceptionally well made and some of it looks like some Film School bullshite. I cant believe the doc used the same old tired cold war nuclear footage to show family life from the 50s/60s era. What a cliche.
The angry divorced kid is a familiar story, but Cobain's mother gets off pretty lightly. Reading other things, Cobain's mother had a healthy selfish streak in her and she alienated Cobain more than the doc really lets on.
That being said, I liked some of the visuals and I appreciated them including his journals. The writings show how sensitive and damaged the guy really was. However, watching the 89-90 interviews before they blew up, I was reminded how much of a smug prick he was as well. Once they made it and his voice "mattered" he pretty much became insufferable.
Courtney Love was just a better junkie then Cobain was. He tried to keep up with her, she left him in the dust and his emotional demons wouldn't let him get away after he dug the "hole" (pun intended) he killed himself in. She has been documented as an incredibly manipulative and conflicted person. She was the worst possible partner for him to end up with.
What is really sad is had he lived, he probably would have found a therapist (like so many from that time), gotten out of the heroin life (like so many as well) and been doing Nevermind 25th Year Anniversary special similar to this. I found it pretty ironic that deep in the throes of heroin addiction, Kurt was so competitive that they were fixated on making fun of Guns and Roses. I dont see how Kurt Cobain wold have continued on through the 90s to today as an "old rock star" out on tour.
or perhaps he would have just drifted away to his kid and his art
Finally it is pretty telling that the only band voice on the doc is Krist. He was obviously the closest to Cobain and he never publicly sided against Courtney in anything. So Grohl was interviewed and his words were cut. Perhaps the director could have shaved 10 mins of fantasy animation for one segment of Grohl's thoughts. he deserved at least that much. Seeing the old footage and knowing Grohl today, I cant imagine how hard it must have been for him to be happy in the band with Cobain.
I suspect the fantasy animation stuff was Frances Cobain's contribution to the doc.
These are the animators:
Animation Department
Hisko Hulsing ... animator
Stefan Nadelman ... animator
but I am guessing they were illustrating her concepts. I cant imagine her or Courtney Love allowing anyone access to her dad's art and making concept pieces off of it without some input.
Some of this is exceptionally well made and some of it looks like some Film School bullshite. I cant believe the doc used the same old tired cold war nuclear footage to show family life from the 50s/60s era. What a cliche.
The angry divorced kid is a familiar story, but Cobain's mother gets off pretty lightly. Reading other things, Cobain's mother had a healthy selfish streak in her and she alienated Cobain more than the doc really lets on.
That being said, I liked some of the visuals and I appreciated them including his journals. The writings show how sensitive and damaged the guy really was. However, watching the 89-90 interviews before they blew up, I was reminded how much of a smug prick he was as well. Once they made it and his voice "mattered" he pretty much became insufferable.
Courtney Love was just a better junkie then Cobain was. He tried to keep up with her, she left him in the dust and his emotional demons wouldn't let him get away after he dug the "hole" (pun intended) he killed himself in. She has been documented as an incredibly manipulative and conflicted person. She was the worst possible partner for him to end up with.
What is really sad is had he lived, he probably would have found a therapist (like so many from that time), gotten out of the heroin life (like so many as well) and been doing Nevermind 25th Year Anniversary special similar to this. I found it pretty ironic that deep in the throes of heroin addiction, Kurt was so competitive that they were fixated on making fun of Guns and Roses. I dont see how Kurt Cobain wold have continued on through the 90s to today as an "old rock star" out on tour.
or perhaps he would have just drifted away to his kid and his art
Finally it is pretty telling that the only band voice on the doc is Krist. He was obviously the closest to Cobain and he never publicly sided against Courtney in anything. So Grohl was interviewed and his words were cut. Perhaps the director could have shaved 10 mins of fantasy animation for one segment of Grohl's thoughts. he deserved at least that much. Seeing the old footage and knowing Grohl today, I cant imagine how hard it must have been for him to be happy in the band with Cobain.
I suspect the fantasy animation stuff was Frances Cobain's contribution to the doc.
These are the animators:
Animation Department
Hisko Hulsing ... animator
Stefan Nadelman ... animator
but I am guessing they were illustrating her concepts. I cant imagine her or Courtney Love allowing anyone access to her dad's art and making concept pieces off of it without some input.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:24 pm to supatigah
quote:
Some of this is exceptionally well made and some of it looks like some Film School bullshite. I cant believe the doc used the same old tired cold war nuclear footage to show family life from the 50s/60s era. What a cliche.
This didn't bother me. I think it painted a proper picture of the background that Cobain grew up in. I'm sure a number of people can connect with the "Grew up in the burbs. Where mom and dad were together. But didn't really like one another anymore".
quote:Completely agree with this. She knew what buttons to push with him. She just doesn't strike me as the kind of person who feels sad about the downward spiral that Cobain went down. Maybe over time she's found a way to close the door on her relationship with him. But I do find it telling that Courtney had very little to do with this documentary. Frances is the one who was orchestrating this piece.
Courtney Love was just a better junkie then Cobain was. He tried to keep up with her, she left him in the dust and his emotional demons wouldn't let him get away after he dug the "hole" (pun intended) he killed himself in. She has been documented as an incredibly manipulative and conflicted person. She was the worst possible partner for him to end up with.
quote:So will we get to hear his piece in the DVD or something?
So Grohl was interviewed and his words were cut. Perhaps the director could have shaved 10 mins of fantasy animation for one segment of Grohl's thoughts. he deserved at least that much. Seeing the old footage and knowing Grohl today, I cant imagine how hard it must have been for him to be happy in the band with Cobain.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 9:03 pm to supatigah
quote:
Finally it is pretty telling that the only band voice on the doc is Krist. He was obviously the closest to Cobain and he never publicly sided against Courtney in anything. So Grohl was interviewed and his words were cut. Perhaps the director could have shaved 10 mins of fantasy animation for one segment of Grohl's thoughts. he deserved at least that much. Seeing the old footage and knowing Grohl today, I cant imagine how hard it must have been for him to be happy in the band with Cobain.
Once again, for those that have missed it, Dave wasn't interviewed in time to make the movie. His interview is an extra on the DVD. There is nothing sinister about him not being in the initial release.
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