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re: Big invasion in Iraq has begun.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:07 am to blacktoothgrin12
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:07 am to blacktoothgrin12
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Can you elaborate?
Our Rules of Engagement are suicidal and anti-victory - they imply a rational way to chain the dogs of war that doesn't exist in the real world.
Once you tell soldiers that they cannot kill civilians or damage property (even inadvertantly), you've already lost the war - particularly to an enemy more than willing to kill civilians and use houses of worship as sanctuaries.
No such rules of engagement were in place for wars in which we were successful, such as the U.S. Civil War, WWI, WWII, etc.
(And I don't mean that we should target civilians or places of worship, but when the shooting starts - it's on.)
This post was edited on 3/2/15 at 8:08 am
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Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:08 am to Ace Midnight
The worst part of the ROE was when it went from perceived threat to actualized threat. Unless they were shooting at you, you couldn't do shite.
This post was edited on 3/2/15 at 8:09 am
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:58 am to Ace Midnight
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Our Rules of Engagement are suicidal and anti-victory - they imply a rational way to chain the dogs of war that doesn't exist in the real world.
Once you tell soldiers that they cannot kill civilians or damage property (even inadvertantly), you've already lost the war - particularly to an enemy more than willing to kill civilians and use houses of worship as sanctuaries.
I remember when my uncle, who was a Marine fighter pilot & flew 2 tours in Vietnam, spoke of this in reference to that clusterfrick, he was highly frustrated, not surprisingly. He didn't talk about Vietnam much, but when he did, this was his major point of contention.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 9:27 am to Ace Midnight
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Once you tell soldiers that they cannot kill civilians or damage property (even inadvertantly), you've already lost the war - particularly to an enemy more than willing to kill civilians and use houses of worship as sanctuaries.
Eh, I see the point I guess. My umbrella was the absolute right of every soldier to defend himself and the ROE was under that umbrella.
I did a year in Iraq and had one ROE briefing on day one in country, all other briefings were mission specific. I did a year in Afghanistan and did not have a ROE briefing. The focus was accomplishing the mission not obsessing over the ROE.
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