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Mid to Late Round Prospects
Posted on 2/26/15 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 2/26/15 at 6:18 pm
Did this thread last year and thought it went pretty well... Heres last years thread: LINK
Everyone likes to talk about the big name players and 1st round picks, for obvious reasons. But you build your team with the mid / late round picks, UDFA, etc and find some great value for cheap. Here are some guys that could be good players and you can get them late in the draft or even as an UDFA.
QBs
Brandon Bridge- South Alabama. 6'4, 229lbs, 4.72 40yard dash. 33"vert. 9'11broad jump.
Pros- Big athletic QB with a big arm and a lot of potential. Project QB who could become a good starter in a few years.
Cons-Wildly inaccurate. RAW. Needs coaching very bad.
Shane Carden - ECU. 6'2,218lbs. 4.94 40. Highlights
Pros - Extremely prolific and productive college player. 63.5%, 4736yards. 30TDs, 10 INTs. Solid athleticism with with scramble ability. High IQ and fearless in pocket. Quick release. Leader.
Cons- Not great size. Decent arm, not elite. Needs fine tuning with his mechanics. Needs to go to the right system.
Jake Waters - Kansas St. 6'1, 204lbs. DNP @ Combine. Highlights
Pros- 65.9% for 3501 yards, 22 TDs, 7INTs and 484yards rushing with 9 TDs. Efficient QB. Athletic with quick feet and release. Scramble ability. Very smart QB with high IQ. Takes what D gives him and wont force a ball. Best intangibles out of all QBs. Leader. Tough as nails. Not afraid to sit in the pocket and take a hit.
Cons - Undersized. Inconsistent with his throwing motion mechanics and release point.
Sean Mannion- Oregon St. 6'6 229lbs. Highlights
Pros-66.3% for 4,662yards. 37 TDs, 15INTs his JR year. 4 year starter in a pro style offense with a huge arm. True pocket passer.
Cons - Not mobile. Struggled when he had pressure in his face. Up and down college career but showed flashes of NFL potential.
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Running Backs
David Johnson - Northern Iowa. 6'1, 224lbs. 4.50 40dash. 41.5" vert. 10'5broad, 25reps. Highlights Highlights II
Pros- Back to back 1,000 yard rusher + at least 38receptions. Physical specimen that looks the part and tested really well at combine. Great size and speed combo. Best RB @ Senior Bowl. Great productivity. Rare pass catching ability with that size, similar to a Matt Forte or Leveon Bell in that aspect. Natural pass catcher, former WR, talk that he could play WR in the NFL. 1 cut and up the field runner.
Cons- Little shake / wiggle. Level of competition is a question. Stock is rising, might be gone by the 4th.
Jeremy Langford- Michigan St. 6'0, 208lbs, 4.42 40dash. 34.5"vert. Highlights
Pros - Athletic and versatile. Played CB, WR, and RB at Michigan St. Big improvement from 2013 to 2014 as a RB. Good feet and burst to turn the corner. Has big play ability, 22 carries of 15+ yards in 2014. Good balance and can catch out the backfield. Solid in pass protection. Special Teams.
Cons- Not too physical. Struggles in between the tackles. Absorbs the contact instead of dishing it. Always looking to bounce it outside. Solid in pass protection but can give ground to bigger players. 3rd down back.
Terrence Magee- LSU. 5'8 213lbs. 37" vert. 22reps. Highlights
Pros - Averaged 6.2ypc over his final 2 years at LSU. Best pass blocking RB in the draft. Versatile player (QB in HS, WR sophomore year at LSU). Contributes in a lot of ways and doesnt need the ball to contribute. Low center of gravity, runs through arm tackles and can get underneath defenders pads and drive them back. Solid burst through the line, balance, agility. Can play all special teams. Solid all around. Tough, leadership, high character guy. Awarded #18 at LSU which goes to a player that has overcome adversity, hardworker, leader, etc.
Cons -Average athlete. Rotational guy at LSU, which is what he will be in the NFL at best. Limited upside.
Josh Robinson - Miss St. 5'8, 217lbs. 4.70 40dash. 21reps. 32" vert. Highlights
Pros - Very productive last year at Miss St. Catch out the backfield. Tough to tackle. Built and is very similar to Magee, which is odd because they played together in High School at Franklinton.
Cons - Average athlete with limited upside. Benefited from playing in a zone read scheme with Dak Prescott at QB.
Matt Jones- Florida. 6'2, 231lbs. 4.61 40dash. 31.5"vert. 20reps. Highlights
Pros - Big, strong kid that looks the part. Good size + athleticism combo. Powerful north / south runner.
Cons - 1 trick pony, not versatile. Knee surgery in 2013. Not as productive as he should have been.
John Crockett- North Dakota St. 6'0 217lbs. 4.62 40dash. 40"vert. 10'6 broad.
Pros - Very productive RB. 3 seasons of 1,000+yards rushing. And had 1,994yards and 21 TDs this past season. Explosive burst. Played in Pro Style O. Patient and instinctive. Dangerous out the backfield. Tenacious on the football field. Hard worker and willing to do whatever is asked of him. Nicknamed "Taz" because hes a non stop worker. Can play special teams.
Cons - Runs a bit upright. Stiff hips and flexibility. Not too much. Low level competition. High workload.
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Everyone likes to talk about the big name players and 1st round picks, for obvious reasons. But you build your team with the mid / late round picks, UDFA, etc and find some great value for cheap. Here are some guys that could be good players and you can get them late in the draft or even as an UDFA.
QBs
Brandon Bridge- South Alabama. 6'4, 229lbs, 4.72 40yard dash. 33"vert. 9'11broad jump.
Pros- Big athletic QB with a big arm and a lot of potential. Project QB who could become a good starter in a few years.
Cons-Wildly inaccurate. RAW. Needs coaching very bad.
Shane Carden - ECU. 6'2,218lbs. 4.94 40. Highlights
Pros - Extremely prolific and productive college player. 63.5%, 4736yards. 30TDs, 10 INTs. Solid athleticism with with scramble ability. High IQ and fearless in pocket. Quick release. Leader.
Cons- Not great size. Decent arm, not elite. Needs fine tuning with his mechanics. Needs to go to the right system.
Jake Waters - Kansas St. 6'1, 204lbs. DNP @ Combine. Highlights
Pros- 65.9% for 3501 yards, 22 TDs, 7INTs and 484yards rushing with 9 TDs. Efficient QB. Athletic with quick feet and release. Scramble ability. Very smart QB with high IQ. Takes what D gives him and wont force a ball. Best intangibles out of all QBs. Leader. Tough as nails. Not afraid to sit in the pocket and take a hit.
Cons - Undersized. Inconsistent with his throwing motion mechanics and release point.
Sean Mannion- Oregon St. 6'6 229lbs. Highlights
Pros-66.3% for 4,662yards. 37 TDs, 15INTs his JR year. 4 year starter in a pro style offense with a huge arm. True pocket passer.
Cons - Not mobile. Struggled when he had pressure in his face. Up and down college career but showed flashes of NFL potential.
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Running Backs
David Johnson - Northern Iowa. 6'1, 224lbs. 4.50 40dash. 41.5" vert. 10'5broad, 25reps. Highlights Highlights II
Pros- Back to back 1,000 yard rusher + at least 38receptions. Physical specimen that looks the part and tested really well at combine. Great size and speed combo. Best RB @ Senior Bowl. Great productivity. Rare pass catching ability with that size, similar to a Matt Forte or Leveon Bell in that aspect. Natural pass catcher, former WR, talk that he could play WR in the NFL. 1 cut and up the field runner.
Cons- Little shake / wiggle. Level of competition is a question. Stock is rising, might be gone by the 4th.
Jeremy Langford- Michigan St. 6'0, 208lbs, 4.42 40dash. 34.5"vert. Highlights
Pros - Athletic and versatile. Played CB, WR, and RB at Michigan St. Big improvement from 2013 to 2014 as a RB. Good feet and burst to turn the corner. Has big play ability, 22 carries of 15+ yards in 2014. Good balance and can catch out the backfield. Solid in pass protection. Special Teams.
Cons- Not too physical. Struggles in between the tackles. Absorbs the contact instead of dishing it. Always looking to bounce it outside. Solid in pass protection but can give ground to bigger players. 3rd down back.
Terrence Magee- LSU. 5'8 213lbs. 37" vert. 22reps. Highlights
Pros - Averaged 6.2ypc over his final 2 years at LSU. Best pass blocking RB in the draft. Versatile player (QB in HS, WR sophomore year at LSU). Contributes in a lot of ways and doesnt need the ball to contribute. Low center of gravity, runs through arm tackles and can get underneath defenders pads and drive them back. Solid burst through the line, balance, agility. Can play all special teams. Solid all around. Tough, leadership, high character guy. Awarded #18 at LSU which goes to a player that has overcome adversity, hardworker, leader, etc.
Cons -Average athlete. Rotational guy at LSU, which is what he will be in the NFL at best. Limited upside.
Josh Robinson - Miss St. 5'8, 217lbs. 4.70 40dash. 21reps. 32" vert. Highlights
Pros - Very productive last year at Miss St. Catch out the backfield. Tough to tackle. Built and is very similar to Magee, which is odd because they played together in High School at Franklinton.
Cons - Average athlete with limited upside. Benefited from playing in a zone read scheme with Dak Prescott at QB.
Matt Jones- Florida. 6'2, 231lbs. 4.61 40dash. 31.5"vert. 20reps. Highlights
Pros - Big, strong kid that looks the part. Good size + athleticism combo. Powerful north / south runner.
Cons - 1 trick pony, not versatile. Knee surgery in 2013. Not as productive as he should have been.
John Crockett- North Dakota St. 6'0 217lbs. 4.62 40dash. 40"vert. 10'6 broad.
Pros - Very productive RB. 3 seasons of 1,000+yards rushing. And had 1,994yards and 21 TDs this past season. Explosive burst. Played in Pro Style O. Patient and instinctive. Dangerous out the backfield. Tenacious on the football field. Hard worker and willing to do whatever is asked of him. Nicknamed "Taz" because hes a non stop worker. Can play special teams.
Cons - Runs a bit upright. Stiff hips and flexibility. Not too much. Low level competition. High workload.
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 6:19 pm to KG5989
Wide Receivers
Tyler Lockett - Kansas St. 5'10, 182lbs. 4.40 40dash. 33.5"vert. Highlights Highlights II
Pros - 4x All American. Broke all of his fathers records at Kansas St(leader in catches, yards, TDs). Had 187recs, 2,777yards, 22 TDs in final 2 years. Extremely fast and polished WR. Can cut at top speed and not slow down. Elite start / stop and change of direction.Willing blocker. Elite return man, had 21returns for 488yards and 2 TDs final year. Has an "It" factor. Steps up in big games and moments, extremely competitive. Very high character. Film rat. Football is in his blood, he loves it. 1 of my favorites in the entire draft.
Cons - Slight build. Could struggle vs big CBs in press coverage. Might have to be a slot WR.
Justin Hardy- ECU. 5'10, 192lbs. 4.56 40dash. 36.5"vert. 10" hands. Highlights Highlights II
Pros - Former walk on who became FBS all time leader in catches. Very polished. Knows how to get open and sit in soft spots of coverage. Very good at selling routes with body fakes. Good depth in his routes and comes back to the ball. Great ball skills, attacks the ball in the air. Solid hands. Good footwork and can adjust to the ball in the air really well. Loves to work the middle of the field. High IQ, willing blocker, and has returned punts.
Cons - Wont blow past defenders. Not an elite athlete. Thin lower body.
Tre McBride -William and Mary. 6'0, 210lbs. 4.41 40dash. 38" vert. 10'1broad. Highlights
Pros - Strong build with great athleticism. Fearless WR across the middle and in the air. Puts his body on the line. Ridiculous ball skills, body control, and catch radius. Plucks the ball out the air. Routinely makes circus catches that make your jaw drop. Return ability. High potential.
Cons - Despite running a 4.41, he sometimes doesnt play that fast and struggles to separate from DBs. Raw route runner. Can be knocked off balance and his route.
Darren Waller - Georgia Tech. 6'6, 238lbs. 4.46 40dash. 37"vert. Highlights
Pros - Elite size + speed combo. Knows his big and plays big. Boxes out defenders with body. Jump ball / fade master. High points the ball and goes up and gets it, always over the DB. Very smooth runner. Fearless with good hands.
Cons - Not quick off the line. Struggles with start / stop ability or change of direction. Straight line speed, laterally. Raw route runner, only ran a few limited routes in college. Weak effort blocking. Needs to improve understanding of route concepts, leverage, and how to separate.
Chris Conley - UGA. 6'2, 213lbs. 4.35 40dash. 45" vert. 11'5 broad.
Pros - Combine surprise. FREAK athlete with good size. Smooth runner. Good at breaking in and out of his routes and can create separation. Played in an NFL system.
Cons - Not a complete route runner. Struggles when press covered by a strong and physical CB. Not a physical player.
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Tight Ends
Jean Sifrin - UMASS. 6'5, 245lbs. 4.84 40dash. 33" vert. 9'5broad. Highlights
Pros - Great size + athleticism. Basketball background. Great catch radius. Natural pass catcher. Quick release into his routes, good fakes to create separation. Lots of potential and very new to football. 42catches, 642yards and 6 TDs only year at UMASS.
Cons - 27years old. High school drop out, earned GED to work and support his girlfriend and son. Noticed by a ASA College scout while playing basketball. Went there, got kicked out "for something he didnt do". Went Community College then went to UMASS. Little experience. Thinks too much on the field, making him play slower than he is.
Wes Saxton - South Alabama. 6'3, 248lbs. 4.65 40dash. 36"vert. 9'9 borad.
Pros - Great frame with broad shoulders. Very athletic. Great burst. Catcher well in traffic. WR in H.S. Tough to bring down with ball in hands and is a mismatch, too fast and athletic for LBers, too big for DBs. Could be a Marcel Reece type of H-Back player.
Cons - Not a in-line TE. Raw route runner, relied on athleticism. Questions about his willingness to block.
Cameron Clear - TAMU. 6'5, 277lbs. 4.98 40dash. 32"vert.
Pros - Very big with good athleticism and talent. Solid as both a blocker and WR. Can play Special Teams. Could add more weight and become OT.
Cons - Kicked out of Tennessee for theft. Went JUCO, then TAMU. Struggled to get playing time and consistent production despite being talented and skilled with size.
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This post was edited on 4/26/15 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 2/26/15 at 6:36 pm to KG5989
I would love David Johnson, Langford, Perriman, Marpet, Xavier Williams and Jake Ryan in the mid to late rounds. Like what I see from all of them.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 7:48 pm to KG5989
I like Terrence McGee a lot. So well rounded and would not be surprised if he was a CSP type of guy.
Jake Waters looks like he has a future. Saw him play more than the others.
Jake Waters looks like he has a future. Saw him play more than the others.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 8:35 pm to KG5989
Masterful Analysis! Love Marpet. I'm afraid he will go higher than expected. Nice job, Thanks.
Posted on 4/26/15 at 9:49 pm to KG5989
With the draft just a few days away, i thought i would bump this.
And i had some updates and added a few more guys on here.
And i had some updates and added a few more guys on here.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 6:44 am to KG5989
I just watched the Shane Carden video, and the kid has a decent arm. He appears to be fairly accurate, but there were several throws in the video where his receivers bailed him out (that happens to anybody though). He has very nice poise in the pocket, but his footwork definitely needs fine tuning.
The player that really caught my eye in that video was Justin Hardy. He appears to be a VERY GOOD receiver. He doesn't appear to have elite game speed, but he gets good seperation(could be a product of competition though). He has strong hands, and runs good routes for a smaller school prospect. He really stands out on tape.
The player that really caught my eye in that video was Justin Hardy. He appears to be a VERY GOOD receiver. He doesn't appear to have elite game speed, but he gets good seperation(could be a product of competition though). He has strong hands, and runs good routes for a smaller school prospect. He really stands out on tape.
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