re: DISNEY Tournament Master Thread

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t seemed like a bunch of forced moments with no real motivation behind a lot of them.

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We're going to completely derail the thread, so I'll stop after this, but I just completely disagree with this, particularly in light of your love of Tangled. Tangled is the movie in which things have to happen just right for everyone to magically decide to help some random girl. And the ending is just completely out of left field, changing the rules on the fly to give us a happy ending.

Frozen at least sets up ALL of its twists. Elsa's ice storm is set up by, well, bad parenting and terrible advice from the trolls (actually, a running theme in the movie is all of the trolls advice is uniformly terrible, yet well-intentioned). The final twist is set up throughout, and you're only run down the wrong path by not only your own expectations, but the characters' as well. They make assumptions based on years of fairy tales, and those assumptions turn out to be wrong. It's one of my favorite things about the film. Everything makes sense, and there's a set up for it earlier in the picture (even something as simple as its use of gloves to show when a character is a liar or not -- gloves mean concealment).

And the help Anna receives isn't just random: it's usually defined by the other character's personal and selfish motivations (Hans and his plot, Christoff and his sled, Olaf and his desire to see summer). They aren't just helping her, they all to some extent, are helping themselves. It's a far more well-structured movie than Tangled (I mean, I love the Snuggly Duckling crowd, but they go above and beyond for a girl they just met, at great personal risk).