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re: Why do anti vaccine people tend to be conspiracy theorists as well.

Posted on 2/15/15 at 6:38 am to
Posted by Winkface
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 2/15/15 at 6:38 am to
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Someone explain to why a baby needs to have a vaccine for a STD/needle share disease before they are 12 hours old?
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All babies should get the first shot of hepatitis B vaccine before they leave the hospital. This shot acts as a safety net, reducing the risk of getting the disease from moms or family members who may not know they are infected with hepatitis B.
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How does hepatitis B spread?
Hepatitis B virus spreads through blood or other body fluids that contain small amounts of blood from an infected person. People can spread the virus even when they have no symptoms.
Babies and children can get hepatitis B in the following ways:
At birth from their infected mother
Being bitten by an infected person
By touching open cuts or sores of an infected person
Through sharing toothbrushes or other personal items used by an infected person
From food that was chewed (for a baby) by an infected person
The virus can live on objects for 7 days or more. Even if you don’t see any blood, there could be virus on an object.
Posted by Winkface
Member since Jul 2010
34377 posts
Posted on 2/15/15 at 6:42 am to
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Do you know why children are required to have 2 doses of MMR?
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Why is a second dose of MMR necessary?Between 2% and 5% of people do not develop measles immunity after the first dose of vaccine. This occurs for a variety of reasons. The second dose is to provide another chance to develop measles immunity for people who did not respond to the first dose.
Posted by Winkface
Member since Jul 2010
34377 posts
Posted on 2/15/15 at 6:45 am to
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A chickenpox vaccine, really?

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Prior to the availability of varicella vaccine there were approximately 4 million cases of varicella a year in the U.S. Though usually a mild disease in healthy children, an estimated 150,000 to 200,000 people developed complications, about 11,000 people required hospitalization and 100 people died each year from varicella. Varicella tends to be more severe in adolescents and adults than in young children. The most common complications from varicella include bacterial superinfection of skin lesions, pneumonia, central nervous system involvement, and thrombocytopenia.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
68841 posts
Posted on 2/15/15 at 6:55 am to
I know I had chicken pox. it sucked for two weeks. plenty ofnscars to show to misery I had.

and i dont have a spleen now. so keep your disease spreading anti immune arse away from me.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
31326 posts
Posted on 2/15/15 at 7:00 am to
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chickenpox


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a mild disease in healthy children
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
31326 posts
Posted on 2/15/15 at 7:02 am to
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Why is a second dose of MMR necessary?Between 2% and 5% of people do not develop measles immunity after the first dose of vaccine. This occurs for a variety of reasons. The second dose is to provide another chance to develop measles immunity for people who did not respond to the first dose.


Because they don't trust doctors to properly store the vaccine.
Posted by Winkface
Member since Jul 2010
34377 posts
Posted on 2/15/15 at 7:03 am to
You forgot to quote "usually"

If the 2 kids you know give you pause about vaccines, why don't the hundreds of thousands with chicken pox complications give you pause about the disease?
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
31326 posts
Posted on 2/15/15 at 7:13 am to
Because chicken pox, assuming the child is healthy and has access to medical care, is not a serious disease.
This post was edited on 2/15/15 at 7:16 am
Posted by LesMiles BFF
Lafayette
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 2/15/15 at 7:28 am to
The same medical care that you distrust when they tell you to get a vaccine?

Posted by Winkface
Member since Jul 2010
34377 posts
Posted on 2/15/15 at 7:31 am to
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Because they don't trust doctors to properly store the vaccine.
it was listed as a possible reason for primary vaccine failure, yes, but they truly don't know why it fails in some. There are other possible reasons as well. FACT is, less than 1% get infected when given two doses vs the 3-5% when given only one.
Posted by Winkface
Member since Jul 2010
34377 posts
Posted on 2/15/15 at 7:32 am to
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Because chicken pox, assuming the child is healthy and has access to medical care, is not a serious disease.

and vaccinations are safe
Posted by Navtiger1
Washington
Member since Aug 2007
3368 posts
Posted on 2/15/15 at 7:34 am to
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Prior to the availability of varicella vaccine there were approximately 4 million cases of varicella a year in the U.S. Though usually a mild disease in healthy children, an estimated 150,000 to 200,000 people developed complications, about 11,000 people required hospitalization and 100 people died each year from varicella. Varicella tends to be more severe in adolescents and adults than in young children. The most common complications from varicella include bacterial superinfection of skin lesions, pneumonia, central nervous system involvement, and thrombocytopenia.


So you are ok with all of this so long as a hand full of rare cases like the two children you know of do have complications. Also in the two cases you mentioned was it proven that it was the vaccine alone or was there already something wrong with the child that wasn't known and the vaccine exacerbated it?
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/15/15 at 8:55 am to
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Anti vaccine people are fricking morons.


this
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
31326 posts
Posted on 2/15/15 at 8:56 am to
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and vaccinations are safe


Generally, yes.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 2/15/15 at 9:08 am to
I love al of the conspiracy stuff but I believe in vaccines so I'm not sure that your statement is accurate
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 2/15/15 at 9:19 am to
The wierd fact you posted is that the Measles vaccine works, the disease has stopped spreading and is completely neutralized and on average 10 children out of the between 3 and 4 million born each year have died?

That's .0000025% chance that something may go wrong and some of that was I'm sure to to genetics or something else contributing.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 2/15/15 at 9:28 am to
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'm not a conspiracy theorist at all, though the moon landing is a bit sketchy. 


Posted by TigerGman
Center of the Universe
Member since Sep 2006
11524 posts
Posted on 2/15/15 at 9:33 am to
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No, both are directly attributed to vaccines. Again, nothing to do with autism or "developmental issues". In one case they caused immediate seizures which have persisted on and off with the child for a few years now. The child otherwise is normal and healthy apart from the seizures.

The other is much more tragic. The vaccine caused a severe reaction that has left the child in essentially a vegetative state. She will never be able to walk, talk, communicate etc...

I fully understand something like that happening is extremely rare but the fact it can happen is enough to give pause.

Someone explain to why a baby needs to have a vaccine for a STD/needle share disease before they are 12 hours old?

Do you know why children are required to have 2 doses of MMR?

A chickenpox vaccine, really?


Figures you'd idolize something as fake as wrestling. Splains pretty much everything need to know about you and your "opinions"...
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6624 posts
Posted on 2/15/15 at 9:36 am to
Snopes is funded by big pharma/governments/auto mechanics. FACT
This post was edited on 2/15/15 at 9:38 am
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 2/15/15 at 2:36 pm to
Your link sucks.
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