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DEA Considered Spying on Cars at Gun Shows
Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:15 am
Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:15 am
As much as I hate the Feds sticking their noses in my business, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that in this case, it only makes sense. Besides attracting law-abiding 2nd amendment peeps, it unfortunately attracts a dark element as well. If you want to catch fish, you start by finding a good fishing hole. And it all goes back to the old standby argument that if you're a good guy, you have nothing to worry about - or so they say.
A federal agent proposed using license-plate readers to scan vehicles around gun shows in order to aid gun-trafficking investigations, according to an internal Justice Department email.
“The proposal in the email was only a suggestion. It was never authorized by DEA, and the idea under discussion in the email was never launched,’’ according to DEA administrator Michele Leonhart.
National Rifle Association spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said the NRA is “looking into this to see if gun owners were improperly targeted, and has no further comment until we have all the facts.”
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A federal agent proposed using license-plate readers to scan vehicles around gun shows in order to aid gun-trafficking investigations, according to an internal Justice Department email.
“The proposal in the email was only a suggestion. It was never authorized by DEA, and the idea under discussion in the email was never launched,’’ according to DEA administrator Michele Leonhart.
National Rifle Association spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said the NRA is “looking into this to see if gun owners were improperly targeted, and has no further comment until we have all the facts.”
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Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:20 am to tigerpawl
It doesn't make sense.
If the group was:
1.) Environmental activists,
2.) A labor union
There would be a march on Washington - but gun owners, somewhat ironically, just sit there and take it, usually.
And WTF is the DEA doing focusing on guns and gun-trafficking - shouldn't that be the ATF or the FBI?
They should just go ahead and legalize drugs, so they won't have to worry about the whole guns/drugs nexus (which is a correlation, not a cause-effect situation).
If the group was:
1.) Environmental activists,
2.) A labor union
There would be a march on Washington - but gun owners, somewhat ironically, just sit there and take it, usually.
And WTF is the DEA doing focusing on guns and gun-trafficking - shouldn't that be the ATF or the FBI?
They should just go ahead and legalize drugs, so they won't have to worry about the whole guns/drugs nexus (which is a correlation, not a cause-effect situation).
Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:42 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that in this case, it only makes sense.
I'm gonna have to disagree here because I don't think "that's the case." It's very worrisome the DEA was willing to scan car license plates at gun shows, NOT for the purpose of arresting drug dealers at the gun show, but for the purpose of "building a database to monitor and store data about vehicles on major highways. Internal documents show the primary goal of the database is asset forfeiture, a controversial practice of seizing motorists’ possessions if police officers suspect they are criminal proceeds. Sometimes, those seizures take place without evidence of criminal wrongdoing." The bigger question is how will this data REALLY be used? If you trust the DEA that's fine, but even though I'm a law abiding citizen, I'm getting more and more concerned about how all the data being acquired by federal agencies may be used, or more appropriately MISused. Look at how the IRS targeted law abiding citizens and what they thought were "right wing" groups.
quote:Good point. There's probably MORE to the story and the DEA's intended "use" of the info than what they're admitting to at this time.
And WTF is the DEA doing focusing on guns and gun-trafficking - shouldn't that be the ATF or the FBI?
Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:44 am to Ace Midnight
quote:The purpose of it all is drugs. The drugs peeps can't get what they need through legal means.
And WTF is the DEA doing focusing on guns and gun-trafficking
Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:51 am to tigerpawl
quote:
'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that in this case, it only makes sense.
It makes sense to collect and store data on citizens of a free country conducting legal actions because they may lead to valuable asset aquisition in the future vailed under the accusation of "illegal gun trafficking" by a government agency whose focus is not fireams.
Yep makes sense.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:54 am to TigerOnThe Hill
quote:
It's very worrisome the DEA was willing to scan car license plates at gun shows, NOT for the purpose of arresting drug dealers at the gun show, but for the purpose of "building a database to monitor and store data about vehicles on major highways
quote:Not taking sides here, but this could always be speculated about any initiative they undertake. The only way to get rid of all the doubt is to get rid of the agencies. As bad of a reputation that the Feds have nowadays, they still have an important role in the grand scheme of things. Don't forget who puts them there every year - you & me. Personally, I always keep my nose clean and have no problem with being in the same environments with the fly-catchers.
It makes sense to collect and store data on citizens of a free country conducting legal actions because they may lead to valuable asset aquisition in the future vailed under the accusation of "illegal gun trafficking" by a government agency whose focus is not fireams.
As rhetorical as this may sound, imagine the country if they all vanished overnight. Imperfect - absolutely. Necessary - you bet.
This post was edited on 1/29/15 at 8:57 am
Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:55 am to tigerpawl
quote:
it unfortunately attracts a dark element as well. If you want to catch fish, you start by finding a good fishing hole.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:00 am to AlxTgr
Liberal arts programs in CA attract a dark element too.
Get out the plate scanners. Lol
Get out the plate scanners. Lol
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:03 am to tigerpawl
quote:
As much as I hate the Feds sticking their noses in my business, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that in this case, it only makes sense
Seems like a real breach of public privacy, but I dont know shite about the law
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:11 am to aVatiger
You have an expectation of privacy for the exterior of your car? 
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:32 am to AlxTgr
Are we talking about feds running plates/tags at gun shows? :lol+
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:34 am to aVatiger
quote:
A federal agent proposed using license-plate readers to scan vehicles around gun shows in order to aid gun-trafficking investigations, according to an internal Justice Department email.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:34 am to AlxTgr
quote:This seems a little too drag-net-ish for me. It doesn't sit well with me.
The purpose of it all is drugs. The drugs peeps can't get what they need through legal means.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:37 am to DonChowder
I cannot understand your position. The more of these badies that are caught, the better off we are re: gun rights.
Bunch of overly paranoid Rob lows up in here. I bet you all have those green no insignia hats.
Bunch of overly paranoid Rob lows up in here. I bet you all have those green no insignia hats.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:42 am to AlxTgr
quote:
And WTF is the DEA doing focusing on guns and gun-trafficking
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The purpose of it all is drugs. The drugs peeps can't get what they need through legal means.
No, the purpose stated in the email referenced in the article was NOT all drugs.
"DEA Phoenix Division office is working closely with [the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives] on attacking the guns going to [redacted] and the guns shows, to include programs/operation with [license-plate readers] at the gun shows.’’
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:44 am to TigerOnThe Hill
quote:
"DEA Phoenix Division office is working closely with [the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives] on attacking the guns going to [redacted] and the guns shows, to include programs/operation with [license-plate readers] at the gun shows.’’
You are naive. Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:45 am to AlxTgr
quote:
The more of these badies that are caught, the better off we are re: gun rights.
This is true. As long as the criminal activities are not overlooked or under penalized.
Do you think the info will be used only to catch "badies"? That it is not an end around form of gun registry?
What would be the national response to: CDC considering using license plate scanners at Gay and Lesbian conventions to aid in STD investigations
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:48 am to AlxTgr
quote:
green no insignia hats.
Made me laugh though
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:48 am to Bleeding purple
quote:yes.
Do you think the info will be used only to catch "badies"?
quote:No
That it is not an end around form of gun registry?
I'll get one of these to you when I can.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:58 am to AlxTgr
Intentionally or not, collected data seems to find its way into other hands. Many said Americans would never see gun confiscations resulting from registry lists either but its happening in NY.
If this was CDC as asked above, it would only get used for public health concerns right? And those persons would never feel uneasy about that form of targeted data collection?
If this was CDC as asked above, it would only get used for public health concerns right? And those persons would never feel uneasy about that form of targeted data collection?
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