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re: How Far Away Is LSU From Championship Game Level?
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:09 am to Choctaw
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:09 am to Choctaw
quote:maybe? probably not?
can Cam coach a power spread though?
I think Cam can definitely add in more wrinkles of this power spread and make his own version of it.
Cam/Miles have shown that they can 'kind of' evolve, though it took 12 games for them to do it. Jet sweeps and other variations of change were a welcome sight, and I want to see more of it. But the base philosophy will always be present, for better or worse.
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Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:14 am to The Egg
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evolve, though it took 12 games for them to do it
righto....here in lies the problem...we are always reactive and usually way after the fact. I'd like to see these coaches more proactive/preemptive.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:16 am to timm6971463
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A positive fan board instead of the rant would do it,nothing works well when it is being torn down.Most people on this board would have their opinion known than have success !
I've heard it all now.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:17 am to The Egg
quote:Les needs to have 3 weeks to gameplan a jet sweep before it goes in the offensive plan.
am/Miles have shown that they can 'kind of' evolve, though it took 12 games for them to do it
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:18 am to USARMYDasher
13 games
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:22 am to DeltaDoc
The LSU Fighting Fournettes need
1) A QB that can complete a pass once or twice a possession.
2) Leonard Fournette
3) A lot of Les Miles dumb luck
not necessarily in that order.
1) A QB that can complete a pass once or twice a possession.
2) Leonard Fournette
3) A lot of Les Miles dumb luck
not necessarily in that order.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 10:23 am
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:22 am to Baloo
quote:
: we have the athletes to play like that RIGHT NOW.
Ok so we do... But that GLARING weakness in the qb position takes away a lot of what you are trying to say... Plus LSU got shoved around by MSU,AU and Arkasas. With all this so called talent THAT should not have happened.
quote:
but I think we should be able to find a QB who can go 16/23 for 242 yards, particularly with our receiving corps
I think we have one but he sits the bench behind a qb that CAN'T do 16/23 for even close to 200 yards....
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:24 am to Baloo
quote:You give me hope, good post.
I came away with the exact opposite impression. I watched the OSU offense thinking that we could run that exact offense, right now, with our personnel. OK, Cardale is a freak, but I think we should be able to find a QB who can go 16/23 for 242 yards, particularly with our receiving corps. Heck, he only rushed for 38 yards on 21 carries (I know, it seemed like a lot more).
LSU should dump the pro set and adapt to a power spread. OSU just gave us a blueprint on how to run a spread offense while still milking clock and physically punishing the other side, a fundamental precept of Les Miles football. And our defense is already the best in the SEC, though we need to find answers at the DE position.
Also, OSU was so heavily reliant on sophomores, and LSU's fabulous recruiting class of last year will be entering their sophomore year next season. I don't know how you watch OSU play physically dominant football like that and not get excited about LSU: we have the athletes to play like that RIGHT NOW.
I truly hope Les and Cam learned something watching that game and the other playoff games this season and force a change. I would love to see LSU and Miles come out of the gate next season with a fresh new look, a modern college offense, and not this bumbling, stumbling, ineptitude we have seen in past years.
LSU looks like the T-Rex of CFB compared to these teams, a virtual dinosaur.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:25 am to Tooncesridesagain
quote:that is why I said play, as in projection. Not played as in 2011.
Yep. That was three seasons ago
LSU would be a tough matchup for Oregon. Our physical style would mimic Ohio State in the run game. I don't think we beat them because we don't have a QB that can create plays and convert third downs. I do think we keep Oregon off the field and contained on D and don't lose by 39.
We are not light years away from being a very good football team. Next year will be a telling year, if we progress we can be in the hunt, if we do not, we will be in a pretty bad spot.
Being only one or two positions from competing for championships is not light years away as the OP suggested.
And anyone says our talent is equal to OSU, is just blind.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:32 am to tigerfoot
quote:
Next year will be a telling year
Have you seen the movie Ground Hog Day ...
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:35 am to The Egg
quote:two plays only reinforce the ineptitude of our offensive scheme, those jet sweeps will get blown up in SEC play...play that doesn't include the Aggies and the Irish and their terrible D Lines.
Cam/Miles have shown that they can 'kind of' evolve, though it took 12 games for them to do it. Jet sweeps and other variations of change were a welcome sight, and I want to see more of it. But the base philosophy will always be present, for better or worse.
quote:And it is not capable of winning games against good offenses unless all determining factors go our way. Hell, OSU overcame 4 turnovers. If we do that against Oregon there is zero chance of winning.
But the base philosophy will always be present, for better or worse.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:35 am to DeltaDoc
NEXT YEAR!!! Ben SIMMONS!!!
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:38 am to BCS Statmaster
quote:I am not one say that the 2013 offense was terrific, but if we can get something that resembles average QB play and our D holds up I don't think it is that optimistic to say we will be in the hunt.
Have you seen the movie Ground Hog Day ...
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:41 am to conman
quote:
Living in South Florida and the Cam Cameron debacle as head coach for the Dolphins, I can say yes we need a qb, but our OC is not championship quality.
Yeah he was only good enough to be in the top ten in NFL offenses for ten years....what a hack
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:53 am to The Egg
i'm pretty upset with how Cam managed the offense this season, but if we take a step back, I think we can see his thought process and how it got off the rails.
One, I think he completely underestimated how hard it is to teach college underclassmen anything in limited practice time. Cam's been in the NFL for a long time and his adjustment to college last season, he had shockingly talented and heady players at the major skill positions. It gave him a false impression on how to teach college kids, and it blew up in his face this season.
After it was apparent nothing was sticking with his QB, Miles and Cam sort of went into panic mode. The offense went into a shell and it simply became the "Don't Turn It Over" show. We did this before, in 2010, with similar results. When an offense's primary goal is to not turn it over, it will do that... and little else. The scales titles so heavily on the risk/reward table that not only was there no risk, there was no chance of reward either.
I give him an offseason to adjust to his misconceptions and fix the issues. But Cam is not high on my favorite people list right now. He's had success before in college, also running a variation of a power spread (Antwan Randle-El was his QB at Indiana). There's a workable blueprint. We have the personnel. Coaching needs to get out of panic mode and back into solutions mode.
One, I think he completely underestimated how hard it is to teach college underclassmen anything in limited practice time. Cam's been in the NFL for a long time and his adjustment to college last season, he had shockingly talented and heady players at the major skill positions. It gave him a false impression on how to teach college kids, and it blew up in his face this season.
After it was apparent nothing was sticking with his QB, Miles and Cam sort of went into panic mode. The offense went into a shell and it simply became the "Don't Turn It Over" show. We did this before, in 2010, with similar results. When an offense's primary goal is to not turn it over, it will do that... and little else. The scales titles so heavily on the risk/reward table that not only was there no risk, there was no chance of reward either.
I give him an offseason to adjust to his misconceptions and fix the issues. But Cam is not high on my favorite people list right now. He's had success before in college, also running a variation of a power spread (Antwan Randle-El was his QB at Indiana). There's a workable blueprint. We have the personnel. Coaching needs to get out of panic mode and back into solutions mode.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:56 am to DeltaDoc
We need better coaching just to get to the playoffs. We need better offensive line, better defensive pressure, better game management and system to develop quarterbacks. We aren't close right now but maybe this is the year ingrained philosophies change.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:58 am to DeltaDoc
We need better coaching just to get to the playoffs. We need better offensive line, better defensive pressure, better game management and system to develop quarterbacks. We aren't close right now but maybe this is the year ingrained philosophies change.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:01 am to LsuNav
quote:
We need better coaching just to get to the playoffs. We need better offensive line, better defensive pressure, better game management and system to develop quarterbacks. We aren't close right now but maybe this is the year ingrained philosophies change.
You need a complete team that is deep not just a player here and a player there.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:06 am to Baloo
quote:
One, I think he completely underestimated how hard it is to teach college underclassmen anything in limited practice time.
I agree with this, but in honesty, the shell offense worked for us until we lost half the OL v. Arkansas.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:18 am to Baloo
quote:great post and i agree with what you have said.
i'm pretty upset with how Cam managed the offense this season, but if we take a step back, I think we can see his thought process and how it got off the rails.
One, I think he completely underestimated how hard it is to teach college underclassmen anything in limited practice time. Cam's been in the NFL for a long time and his adjustment to college last season, he had shockingly talented and heady players at the major skill positions. It gave him a false impression on how to teach college kids, and it blew up in his face this season.
After it was apparent nothing was sticking with his QB, Miles and Cam sort of went into panic mode. The offense went into a shell and it simply became the "Don't Turn It Over" show. We did this before, in 2010, with similar results. When an offense's primary goal is to not turn it over, it will do that... and little else. The scales titles so heavily on the risk/reward table that not only was there no risk, there was no chance of reward either.
I give him an offseason to adjust to his misconceptions and fix the issues. But Cam is not high on my favorite people list right now. He's had success before in college, also running a variation of a power spread (Antwan Randle-El was his QB at Indiana). There's a workable blueprint. We have the personnel. Coaching needs to get out of panic mode and back into solutions mode.
on an aside, i know people credit our 'system' for getting a QB more pro-ready than others (I mean, i guess it does), but should a college OC be in the business of building the perfect college QB or the perfect NFL QB?
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