- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: .
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:43 pm to BayouBengals03
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:43 pm to BayouBengals03
Look at the link Salmen put on page 43. The contact was at the 3.5-4 yd line. at this point, he is going down. He plants his left foot and then lunges. This is clearly at the 3 yd line because he even leaves a divot. Because of this, it can be determined that he is going to the ground(wether from the contact or not) .5-1 yd before his left foot touches. Regardless if it is a millisecond or not, it clearly shows it was before the lunge.
1
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:43 pm to BayouBengals03
I'm bein serious! No doubt he stays on his feet if Shields doesn't trip(tackle) him.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:44 pm to slackster
quote:
Those that believe it was a catch are arguing that the act of cacthing the pass was completed once he lunged forward, thereby rendering the rest of the rule irrelevant.
But he was going to the ground before the lunge, and not because of the lunge.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:47 pm to iwasthere
I did.
That's not the best angle, anyway. The best angle when discussing basically anything with this play is the view from the back pylon of the end zone.
And it is simultaneous, to me. The millisecond he starts to move that ball from his chest.
That's not the best angle, anyway. The best angle when discussing basically anything with this play is the view from the back pylon of the end zone.
And it is simultaneous, to me. The millisecond he starts to move that ball from his chest.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:48 pm to iwasthere
quote:It doesn't matter. He's switching hands as that gif starts. He caught the ball, and was then tackled. It close though so I might be wrong. Either way it's crazy to overturn it.
But he was going to the ground before the lunge, and not because of the lunge.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:51 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
It close though so I might be wrong. Either way it's crazy to overturn
This, my friend, is the entire point.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:51 pm to BayouBengals03
It might not be the best angle to you, but it might have been the best angle to the ref. And from that angle, he was going down before his left foot and lunge happened.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:52 pm to ReauxlTide222
It does matter. If the lunge constitutes the football move to complete the catch, and he is going down before the lunge, then he is in the act of going to the ground and must therefore maintain control of the ball all the way through the process of contacting the ground.
Like the rule or not, this is the rule.
Like the rule or not, this is the rule.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:53 pm to BayouBengals03
That back angle really shows the balance he had when he landed and how it wasn't just some fall but a legit 100% trip(idk if it was on purpose). What the going to the ground people keep referring to is a tackle. He either had control before the tackle or he didn't. That's the million dollar question.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:55 pm to iwasthere
The lunge itself(aka: football move) is where "going to the ground" ends.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:56 pm to iwasthere
quote:But if he catches the ball standing up and trying to run with feet down the rule doesn't apply.
It does matter. If the lunge constitutes the football move to complete the catch, and he is going down before the lunge, then he is in the act of going to the ground and must therefore maintain control of the ball all the way through the process of contacting the ground.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:56 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
That back angle really shows the balance he had when he landed and how it wasn't just some fall but a legit 100% trip(idk if it was on purpose). The going to the ground people keep referring to is a tackle. He either had control before the tackle or he didn't. That's the million dollar question.
Correct.
And tripping could have been called on the play
. Am I expecting that ref to be able to make that call in that moment? Of course not. But technically, that could have been tripping, whether the defender intentionally did or not. He is going to the ground while the offensive player is still on his feet. It's not the same as incidental contact and tripping in the midst of the receiver running his route. One player is going to the ground and the other isn't.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:57 pm to ATLsuTiger
No it doesn't. if he is going to the ground before the football move, then he must maintain control through out.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 3:03 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS
Article 3 Completed or Intercepted Pass. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.).
Note 1: It is not necessary that he commit such an act, provided that he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
Note 2: If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered a loss of possession. He must lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession.
If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any part of his body to the ground, it is not a catch.
Item 1: Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control,
the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.
He must do a, b, and c for it to be a completed pass, catch or what ever you want to call it. Notice for item 1 Player going to the Ground, it states that if a player goes to the ground IN THE ACT. He might have done a & b, but before c(the lunge), he is going to the ground. Therefore, this rule does apply.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 3:06 pm to iwasthere
This is my last attempt, I don't mean that in a smartass way btw.
Going to the ground rule is for the times when the player can't or doesn't establish himself down. If you run a slant and catch the ball clean and take 2 or more healthy steps you've got that shite. If the throw is low and you slide on your arse to make the catch you have to complete it all the way through to prove you're down. Who knows how many feet of skid marks you need to leave on the turf to constitute 100% having possession? Not me, so you have to complete it all the way through.
Dez wasn't sliding, or anything similar. He Mossed Shields, then landed on his 2 feet, and said I'm gonna run this thing in!!! But Shields tripped him first. The only thing that matters is if he had possession before the trip aka tackle.
Going to the ground rule is for the times when the player can't or doesn't establish himself down. If you run a slant and catch the ball clean and take 2 or more healthy steps you've got that shite. If the throw is low and you slide on your arse to make the catch you have to complete it all the way through to prove you're down. Who knows how many feet of skid marks you need to leave on the turf to constitute 100% having possession? Not me, so you have to complete it all the way through.
Dez wasn't sliding, or anything similar. He Mossed Shields, then landed on his 2 feet, and said I'm gonna run this thing in!!! But Shields tripped him first. The only thing that matters is if he had possession before the trip aka tackle.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 3:07 pm to iwasthere
quote:
He must do a, b, and c for it to be a completed pass, catch or what ever you want to call it. Notice for item 1 Player going to the Ground, it states that if a player goes to the ground IN THE ACT. He might have done a & b, but before c(the lunge), he is going to the ground. Therefore, this rule does apply.
Lol
And you keep saying it so definitively.
It's not clear-cut. Dare I say, it's not conclusive. It's not indisputable.
Shouldn't be overturned, because of that, IMO.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 3:09 pm to iwasthere
I do not interpret that rule the same as you. To me, if a, b, and c happen are determined to have happpened, then "going to the ground" is irrelevant.
In Dez's case, (c) is the lunge, but what if (c) was a pitch? What if he tosses it backwards before he hits the ground? This can obviously be done before you go to the ground, so what then?
In Dez's case, (c) is the lunge, but what if (c) was a pitch? What if he tosses it backwards before he hits the ground? This can obviously be done before you go to the ground, so what then?
Posted on 1/12/15 at 3:10 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:
Dare I say, it's not conclusive
Is it possible?! Posted on 1/12/15 at 3:14 pm to BayouBengals03
It is clear cut. Dez controls the ball(this is a) and touches his right foot down, then makes contact with the defender and is almost horizontal before his left foot touches(this is b). So before he even finishes step b, he is going down. The item 1 going to the ground applies. Stop any video you find on it the second his left foot touches and look at his body angle. he is horizontal. This means he is going down. If I am wrong, please link me a still shot when his left foot touches showing he is vertical or even close to being vertical.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 3:19 pm to slackster
quote:
In Dez's case, (c) is the lunge, but what if (c) was a pitch? What if he tosses it backwards before he hits the ground? This can obviously be done before you go to the ground, so what then?
If he pitches it and someone catches it before it touches the ground, then it isn't an incomplete pass. This is assuming it was pitched forward.
Page 46 of 47
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News