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re: Circumcision doubles risk for autism - link added MBD
Posted on 1/10/15 at 1:46 am to ManBearTiger
Posted on 1/10/15 at 1:46 am to ManBearTiger
He brought up the same points.
that cdc article has a much higher percentage rate for penile cancer than any other articles I've come across. This metaanalysis includes many of those studies cited by the cdc and several others hat were not included - most of which have increased rates of 30-60%......most lower than the 50% of the study about autism.
that cdc article has a much higher percentage rate for penile cancer than any other articles I've come across. This metaanalysis includes many of those studies cited by the cdc and several others hat were not included - most of which have increased rates of 30-60%......most lower than the 50% of the study about autism.
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Posted on 1/10/15 at 2:18 am to Upperaltiger06
Have you considered that the rate of children being diagnosed with autism is growing rapidly across the board?
Speaking anecdotally, I have met many people with Autism and I have found that a great many of those I've met with the disorder have a gluten allergy and/or have gastro-intestinal distress on a regular basis. My money is on GMO's or the abundance of wheat/grains being in some way responsible for this boom in Autism as well as other mental disorders.
Disclaimer: I love bread and eat it on a daily basis and often as I can, so I'm certainly not campaigning for gluten-free products/lifestyles.
I do believe something is causing the huge increase in cases of Autism, but I think it is in poor taste and short-sighted to try and link it to circumcision.
Speaking anecdotally, I have met many people with Autism and I have found that a great many of those I've met with the disorder have a gluten allergy and/or have gastro-intestinal distress on a regular basis. My money is on GMO's or the abundance of wheat/grains being in some way responsible for this boom in Autism as well as other mental disorders.
Disclaimer: I love bread and eat it on a daily basis and often as I can, so I'm certainly not campaigning for gluten-free products/lifestyles.
I do believe something is causing the huge increase in cases of Autism, but I think it is in poor taste and short-sighted to try and link it to circumcision.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 10:40 am to Upperaltiger06
The first line of the conclusion of your metaanalysis:
Is a much stronger statement than the original article linked, which says something along the lines "no firm conclusions can be drawn, there is now some evidence showing that ASD instance increases with exposure to traumatic events encountered in infancy."
The problem is that I don't buy that circumcision is painful in the very vast majority (upwards of 90%) of cases. There's a study that shows kids who got some analgesia were less likely to cry and increase heart rate and respiratory rate, leading to the recommendation that analgesia should be used. But those who received analgesia in the study (referenced by AAP in the link from your first study, somewhere in the 13-15th citation where they claim that it's unacceptable to perform circumcision without analgesia and give a note. Still on mobile. Will link if that's not descriptive enough) didn't experience any signs of pain. They didn't cry during the procedure. They didn't exhibit the normal physiologic response to pain. To now jump and say "even though they don't experience physiologic response to pain, I posit that moderate to extreme pain is likely the cause of this neurophysiological phenomenon we have no better explanation for" borders on absurd without so much as controlling for/looking at all ASD in those children who received vs didn't receive any analgesia at all during circumcision. Again, the number of pitfalls in this review 1) don't support your thread title. Even a little. 2) make their observation one that's worth little more than a passing "oh" to most
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These data suggest that childhood/adolescent circumcision is protective against invasive penile cancer.
Is a much stronger statement than the original article linked, which says something along the lines "no firm conclusions can be drawn, there is now some evidence showing that ASD instance increases with exposure to traumatic events encountered in infancy."
The problem is that I don't buy that circumcision is painful in the very vast majority (upwards of 90%) of cases. There's a study that shows kids who got some analgesia were less likely to cry and increase heart rate and respiratory rate, leading to the recommendation that analgesia should be used. But those who received analgesia in the study (referenced by AAP in the link from your first study, somewhere in the 13-15th citation where they claim that it's unacceptable to perform circumcision without analgesia and give a note. Still on mobile. Will link if that's not descriptive enough) didn't experience any signs of pain. They didn't cry during the procedure. They didn't exhibit the normal physiologic response to pain. To now jump and say "even though they don't experience physiologic response to pain, I posit that moderate to extreme pain is likely the cause of this neurophysiological phenomenon we have no better explanation for" borders on absurd without so much as controlling for/looking at all ASD in those children who received vs didn't receive any analgesia at all during circumcision. Again, the number of pitfalls in this review 1) don't support your thread title. Even a little. 2) make their observation one that's worth little more than a passing "oh" to most
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