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re: Post office beats UPS and FedEx for packages
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:If Congress was passing laws that severely crippled UPS or FedEx's ability to remain afloat, I promise you I would be backing the package delivery companies.
Like lefties do with the USPS? I suppose that's different though..
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:If there is such an inherent problem, how was it able to work successfully for over a century? And how would the market handle the unprofitable nature of the requirement of universal postal service? Here's how: government funding.
Which is the problem with government planning. Market based industry >>> govt funding.
And in this case, government planning is working perfectly. Because the plan was to destroy the USPS in order to privatize it.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:13 pm to Korkstand
quote:A rural delivery subsidy makes a lot more sense than an entire separate delivery service, IMO. You could split the budget of the USPS between those and broadband development grants and do a lot more good. It would also end third-class mail, which frankly should be done anyway. A ginormous portion of what USPS delivers goes straight into the trash.
Also, I'm pretty confident that UPS and FedEx (or whoever ends up with the old USPS) will end up getting some sort of government assistance in order to deliver to all of the unprofitable addresses that the USPS currently services.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:17 pm to Korkstand
quote:
If Congress was passing laws that severely crippled UPS or FedEx's ability to remain afloat, I promise you I would be backing the package delivery companies.
If there was a better solution available, no.
Letter mail should disappear anyway and save some trees.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:18 pm to Korkstand
quote:
If there is such an inherent problem, how was it able to work successfully for over a century?
It didn't. It was a failure from the start. In early US history the post office management was a place for political leaders to place supporters (the spoils system).
When private alternatives popped up in the 1800s they were squashed by laws designed to make them non competitive. The post office had govt on their side. The private start ups had no chance.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:19 pm to Korkstand
quote:That really SHOULD be the plan. There's literally no reason to publicly fund it.
And in this case, government planning is working perfectly. Because the plan was to destroy the USPS in order to privatize it.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Letter mail should disappear anyway and save some trees.
The forestry products industry would shite bricks if letter mail and junk mail disappeared. They spend a lot of money backing candidates on both sides of the isle to make sure that doesn't happen.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I agree with you here, but that will take a long time to happen.
Letter mail should disappear anyway and save some trees.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:25 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Wow, that has not been my experience at all. USPS has not once been less expensive than UPS. In fact more than once the USPS rate was nearly twice UPS.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:30 pm to Zach
quote:
Top: UPS
Medium: Fed Ex
Worst: USPS
Same for me and I also buy nearly everything online and have packages almost daily.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:32 pm to Zach
quote:Ah, right, the American Letter Mail Company. The company that delivered all of the profitable mail in order to prove a point (private enterprise does it better rar rar!), leaving the government service to handle the expensive deliveries and place a huge burden on taxpayers.
It didn't. It was a failure from the start. In early US history the post office management was a place for political leaders to place supporters (the spoils system).
When private alternatives popped up in the 1800s they were squashed by laws designed to make them non competitive. The post office had govt on their side. The private start ups had no chance.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:34 pm to ShortyRob
quote:As already mentioned, it doesn't have to be publicly funded. It operates break-even as designed. The only reason taxpayers are bearing the burden now is because the plan to destroy it has been put into effect.
That really SHOULD be the plan. There's literally no reason to publicly fund it.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:35 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Ah, right, the American Letter Mail Company. The company that delivered all of the profitable mail in order to prove a point (private enterprise does it better rar rar!), leaving the government service to handle the expensive deliveries and place a huge burden on taxpayers.
Why is it so important to have a public mail service?
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:41 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Ah, right, the American Letter Mail Company. The company that delivered all of the profitable mail in order to prove a point (private enterprise does it better rar rar!), leaving the government service to handle the expensive deliveries and place a huge burden on taxpayers.
Ah, wrong. There were private city delivery services 50 years before ALMC. They were all shot down by political machines.
The ALMC did not put any huge burden on taxpayers.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:25 pm to Korkstand
quote:Oh pahleez.
As already mentioned, it doesn't have to be publicly funded. It operates break-even as designed. The only reason taxpayers are bearing the burden now is because the plan to destroy it has been put into effect.
The USPS revenues are declining and anyone paying a lick of attention can tell that's going to continue. Alas, their costs are NOT declining. Forcing the USPS to pre-pay into the retirement fund is basically an attempt to avoid the OBVIOUS reality that as revenues decline, the public is liable to get stuck with the retirement bill for all those USPS employees.
Sure, we could not have them do this and right NOW, they'd remain solvent but with declining revenues with literally zero chance of reversing that trend, that would be fiscal stupidity.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:32 pm to ShortyRob
I've never had a problem with USPS or FedEx. I've had several incidents of late and lost delivery with UPS, however. Not a communist, just my real life observation.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:38 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Literally. Get the frick outta here with that bullshite. Subsidies in the form of roads? Get. The. frick. Out.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
This thread pretty much shows how things work:
Worst is a government entity: USPS
Second worst is a unionized entity: UPS
Best is a non-unionized entity: Fed Ex
This applies to pretty much everything.
Worst is a government entity: USPS
Second worst is a unionized entity: UPS
Best is a non-unionized entity: Fed Ex
This applies to pretty much everything.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:33 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
And yet, we have at least 3 packages that should have been delivered to us last week that are languishing in the Postal System. We won't see those till we get back home on the 4th. It doesn't really matter to me but the givers are embarrassed about them not getting there on time.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:43 pm to jonboy
Know what the hell you are talking about before you spew a bunch of crap. UPS and Fed Ex drop off all of the parcels they can't handle for the postal service to deliver, and that is an awful lot of parcels.
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