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re: DeBlasio, Obama and every other liberal

Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:22 pm to
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:22 pm to
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You asked that other poster about concrete steps to restore trust...
Yep sure did.

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I don't see a negative to body cameras, but I'm willing to listen if other people may...
I see nothing wrong with cameras but haven't really thought through the ramifications of say supervisors reviewing the recordings and admonishing cops for not given a speeding ticket etc....
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:24 pm to
I think you could legislate around that.

The cameras will not be used in evaluating officer performance unless a review of the video is first requested by a citizen.

I don't know of anyone who is contacting the police department about getting out of a ticket.
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:24 pm to
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I see nothing wrong with cameras but haven't really thought through the ramifications of say supervisors reviewing the recordings and admonishing cops for not given a speeding ticket etc....



I think you're safe on that one. That's a lot of data for some poor bastard to have to sift through each shift.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:24 pm to
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Well if the Bundy people/ Tea Party bore no responsibility for the Vegas murders, how can those speaking out now about Garner/Ferguson bear any responsibility for this crazy a-hole?
Okay fair enough

It appears De Blasio nurtured the environment of potential violence.

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I'm glad the other guy brought the Vegas murders in here because I believe they are quite analogous to this current situation.
In what way, even that idiot Bundy and company rejected the a-hole?
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:26 pm to
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I'm not sure what you mean with that statement.



Police are being paid to protect us, and should be held to a higher standard than normal citizens.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:27 pm to
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I think you're safe on that one. That's a lot of data for some poor bastard to have to sift through each shift.
My buddy is a cop been one for 24 years, guess what he does on every shift for one to three hours, he watches speeding and red light camera video to accept of reject the possibility of sending the fines on to the drivers.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:28 pm to
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It appears De Blasio nurtured the environment of potential violence.


Just as the Bundy people armed with weapons staring down federal agents nurtured an environment of potential violence.

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In what way, even that idiot Bundy and company rejected the a-hole?


And I've seen multiple politicians/ talking heads denounce this crazy a-hole in NYC. Both times, the crazy people were chastised and denounced by the adults in the room.

Again, not really seeing a difference.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:28 pm to
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Police are being paid to protect us, and should be held to a higher standard than normal citizens.
Interesting, so the cops in NYC aren't a cross sample of their community?
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:30 pm to
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Just as the Bundy people armed with weapons staring down federal agents nurtured an environment of potential violence.
Maybe, but in light of all the arms in that environment and the fact they rejected nut jobs it would seem you are standing on weak ground.
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
17260 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:30 pm to
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My buddy is a cop been one for 24 years, guess what he does on every shift for one to three hours, he watches speeding and red light camera video to accept of reject the possibility of sending the fines on to the drivers.




It's a bit of a leap from that to analyzing the data of anywhere (depending on the city)from just a few to hundreds of police officers' (each shift!) personal cams to make sure that in their entire shift, they're not letting the average speeder off light. That would cost more money than it's worth.

And your buddy has almost 25 years in the bank and he's the red light cam hall monitor? Who'd he piss off?
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 10:32 pm
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:31 pm to
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And I've seen multiple politicians/ talking heads denounce this crazy a-hole in NYC. Both times, the crazy people were chastised and denounced by the adults in the room.
Before or after the act?

Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80548 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:32 pm to
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they rejected nut jobs


Only because they knew about them beforehand. Link to anyone, especially anyone within the Ferguson protest movement, knowing about this a-hole's plan beforehand?

I'd argue the Bundy people may have more blood on their hands because they knew how radical the shooters were and didn't warn anyone.

[I don't really believe that, but since we're really nitpicking the timelines here...]
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:33 pm to
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It's a bit of a leap from that to analyzing the data of anywhere (depending on the city)from just a few to hundreds of police officers' (each shift!) personal cams to make sure that in their entire shift, they're not letting the average speeder off light. That would cost more money than it's worth.
Event marker ever hear of them?
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And your buddy has almost 25 years in the bank and he's the red light cam hall monitor?E Who'd he piss off?
Every cop in uniform in my city get stuck with the detail assuming they aren't on probation. Not a you suck and we need to keep you off the street detail.

Well I guess in NYC or Chicago etc... this would be a multi million dollar contract.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:34 pm to
How are they supposed to know NYC a-hole was going to do this? Are they prognosticators?

Again, the Bundy people were freaked out enough by the radicalism shown by the Vegas assholes to ask them to leave.

Couldn't you say the Bundy folks had more of a forewarning than the Ferguson folks?

Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:36 pm to
Nit picking timelines? Seems to me you would have a monster point if in fact they knew beforehand the Vegas thing was going to go down, also how do you know informants weren't giving information on possible nutjobs before hand?
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:38 pm to
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How are they supposed to know NYC a-hole was going to do this? Are they prognosticators?
Where did I claim they would?
As for your second part, again how do you know there weren't informants giving data on more than just these murderers?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80548 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:38 pm to
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Seems to me you would have a monster point if in fact they knew beforehand the Vegas thing was going to go down


They were freaked out enough by their radicalism to ask them to leave. Seems like more of a forewarning than any of the Ferguson/Garner people had from the NYC nut job.

Again, I'm amazed you're still trying to argue these two situations are drastically different enough to allow you to believe the overall movement was at least partially responsible for one heinous act and another movement was completely absolved from another heinous act.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:39 pm to
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As for your second part, again how do you know there weren't informants giving data on more than just these murderers?


I'm not following...
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:41 pm to
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I'm glad the other guy brought the Vegas murders in here because I believe they are quite analogous to this current situation.

I don't recall death chants in Vegas.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80548 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:43 pm to
Nah, just a bunch of armed citizens staring down armed federal agents and the cries of tyranny in the air.

Other than that, totally peaceful and light-hearted.
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