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Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:15 am to SUB
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Theres no argument that can be made that Spoon is better
Except they put out a top ten album this year. Modest mouse has 3 good albums. Woohoo!
Not only did they produce an indie rock album three years before MM but they have gotten better with age. How many bands can say that? They pioneered a new genre of music that the pixies helped create and remain relevant today. Unlike MM, its hard to find a dud among their discography that continues to improve with each passing year.
Telephono
Transferrance
A series of sneaks
Gimme Fiction
Girls Can Tell
Kill the Moonlight
Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:15 am to SUB
quote:I like Modest Mouse more too, but Spoon just released some good songs and Modest Mouse has been irrelevant for the past decade. There's certainly an argument. Their last album and tours have been shite and I have low expectations for the new stuff. Compare the song I posted from Spoon in this thread to King Rat. That's where there's no argument.
But albums? Come on. There's no argument that can be made that Spoon is better.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:16 am to Spaulding Smails
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Yes there can
Then give me an argument about how Spoon's body of work is better than MM. Spoon's album this year may be their best effort and one of the best of the year, but I still wouldn't put it ahead of my top 4 MM albums.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:16 am to hogfly
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Posted by hogfly What is the point of comparison between Spoon and Modest Mouse? They're very different bands. That's like comparing the Flaming Lips with Wilco, to me.
Can you name me another band that was responsible for pioneering and creating indie rock in the 90s? Didnt think so
Their early albums are similar.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 11:18 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:17 am to 318_Guy
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Kill the Moonlight
Spoon's best, IMHFO
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:20 am to 318_Guy
What does "pioneering indie rock" even mean?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:23 am to 318_Guy
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Can you name me another band that was reaponsible for pioneering indie rock?
Spoon didn't pioneer indie rock. I mean, neither did Modest Mouse. Hell, neither did the Pixies.
I can see the rest of your argument that Spoon has consistently put out good albums for a decade (though I disagree they are peaking now) while Modest Mouse has done nothing over this same time frame. But giving credit to Spoon for indie rock is a bridge too far.
Spoon is the spiritual heir to Pavement, who was the American version of the Fall. They are a very good band, and I like them a lot, but I wouldn't exactly call them a genre defining, ground-breaking act. They are a more mainstream version of a lo-fi band. I happen to love lo-fi, so I really like Spoon because they borrow heavily from that sound.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:25 am to Baloo
I still maintain it's a false dichotomy.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:26 am to Blue Velvet
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Compare the song I posted from Spoon in this thread to King Rat. That's where there's no argument.
Again this is all subjective, but I would take Whale Song over any Spoon song ever. And that is from the same album as King Rat. And as good as Spoon is, I thought Transference was pretty much a bore.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:26 am to SUB
Modest Mouse has LCW and M&A, that's about the highest mark they've had
Spoon on the other hand, has put out solid albums for years, and just put out one of the best albums of the year. All the while, Modest Mouse has been bumming around, putting out sub-par efforts. Even adding Johnny Marr couldn't save MM
Spoon has the better catalog because of consistency and longevity
Spoon on the other hand, has put out solid albums for years, and just put out one of the best albums of the year. All the while, Modest Mouse has been bumming around, putting out sub-par efforts. Even adding Johnny Marr couldn't save MM
Spoon has the better catalog because of consistency and longevity
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:29 am to Baloo
The pixies kind of did unless you are one of the idiots that think REM invented indie rock or even go as far as to say the velvet underground. That is all pretty subjective. It all starts in the 90s for me as far as defining what the genre has become today. If spoon and MM arent genre defining then who is? And arent you the guy that hasnt seen them live? Bunch of preteen wannabe hipster noobs in here.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 11:31 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:33 am to CSCerky
I've actually driven one of those.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:36 am to Blue Velvet
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Modest Mouse has LCW and M&A, that's about the highest mark they've had
And that is a phenomenal peak.
To me that is like saying "Larry David created Seinfeld and Curb Your Enthusiam, ehh what else has he done?"
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:39 am to The Seaward
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"Larry David created Seinfeld and Curb Your Enthusiam, ehh what else has he done?"
With Curb being the only funny show out of those, but that's for another argument
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:45 am to 318_Guy
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The pixies kind of did unless you are one of the idiots that think REM invented indie rock or even go as far as to say the velvet underground. That is all pretty subjective. It all starts in the 90s for me as far as defining what the genre has become today.
Well, if we want to be ahistorical, sure. But I will point out the Pixies broke after their last release in 1991, and their two best albums were both in the 80s. I love the Pixies, but they were definitely considered a second tier act at the time. We talked about this on another thread, but if you had a time machine and told people about the Pixies current influence and reputation, a person in 1990 would be absolutely shocked. But, let's be honest, that's because they influenced Nirvana so heavily. The Pixies massive influence is really a function of Nirvana's massive popularity.
But indie was born in the 80s, and it has its roots in the DIY punk scene of that era. It is such a bedrock of the genre, as sprawling as it is, that the 80s influence is sort of coded unthinkingly in to band's DNA. And see how many of the big indie labels of today have their genesis in the 80s: Merge, Matador, Sub Pop, 4AD, etc. (Tough & Go and Rough Trade both date back to the 70s).
You can argue Spoon and Modest Mouse are "genre defining" in the sense that they are massively popular. So sure, they are a good exemplar for the overall scene as they are most people's exposure to it. But that wasn't my objection. You argued they were "pioneering", and they are no such thing. They are the band that came after other bands' pioneering work (hey, good on them you can't control when you were born). But the whole idea of "indie rock" is just playing in a world primarily created by REM, Black Flag, and the SST bands.
I do think "indie" used to be a more meaningful term when the means of distribution of pop music were more tightly controlled. Post-internet, really anyone can put out anything and its cheap to record and distribute music to virtually any niche audience. That wasn't always so, hence the need for a indie, a virtual shadow music industry happily thriving in the shadows of the mainstream. Now, "indie" is just another part of the mainstream.
That's not a complaint, that's just an observation. Times change. But "our band can be your life" doesn't sound as radical as it did back when D Boon said it.
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