"Perception? He LIED!!!

But, really, I don't consider the fireman the most important aspect of this video. The MOST IMPORTANT aspect is actually based upon YOUR post. Namely, this "reality" you speak of. You see, you know as well as fricking I do that absent the camera, you would have BELIEVED this firefighter's story just as you likely believe nearly every story uttered by black "witnesses". Just as this firefighter likely always has believed them. The ONLY think that kept you from believing this one was the fact that there is irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

Hence, a not insignificant piece of this "reality" you speak of is built upon knee jerk assuming in these type cases that the black guy is telling the truth. Hence, a lot of your PROOF is self fulfilling.

I always use this example. When I get shitty service or have someone treat me poorly, I never assume it's cause they don't like short white guys. BUT, blacks DO assume it's because the person doesn't like them due to their race. If I walked around and every time someone was an arse to me, I took it to mean they didn't like short white guys, then I would have a shite ton of anecdotal evidence of short white guy bigotry.

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No it is not. But if law enforcement is going to assume the worst about a particular group, how is it possibly the groups fault for assuming the worst about them?

Well, even if 100% of the time cops have been accused of racism, they in fact were being racist, they would STILL not achieve the statistical significance of crime rates among young black men. Just sayin.

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Posted by moneyg

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Posted on 11/28/14 at 9:49 am to ShortyRob

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But, really, I don't consider the fireman the most important aspect of this video. The MOST IMPORTANT aspect is actually based upon YOUR post

Agree

StrongSafety has completed excused the fireman based on the mere fact that he is black.

...and this is a situation where the entire thing is caught on camera and the facts are crystal clear. He simply can't escape the narrative...even when confronted with direct evidence.

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Posted by StrongSafety

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Posted on 11/28/14 at 9:51 am to ShortyRob

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But, really, I don't consider the fireman the most important aspect of this video. The MOST IMPORTANT aspect is actually based upon YOUR post. Namely, this "reality" you speak of. You see, you know as well as fricking I do that absent the camera, you would have BELIEVED this firefighter's story just as you likely believe nearly every story uttered by black "witnesses". Just as this firefighter likely always has believed them. The ONLY think that kept you from believing this one was the fact that there is irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

You know why? law enforcement has a documented history of policing brown and black people exponentially harder than other groups. And they have made it well known as well. How is it our fault that they preconceive us as criminals, and always have?

Law enforcement has lost the benefit of the doubt in a lot of these communities and they only have THEMSELVES to blame for it.

That's a systematic problem rooted in their core, and if they expect change, they are going to have to change the way the view and treat people. these are not antecodal incidents for the blacks and brown people..its life for them. So their is absolutely no need to downplay their fears and perceptions when they are rooted in reality.

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Posted by LeonPhelps

Member since May 2008

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Posted on 11/28/14 at 9:43 pm to ShortyRob

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I always use this example. When I get shitty service or have someone treat me poorly, I never assume it's cause they don't like short white guys. BUT, blacks DO assume it's because the person doesn't like them due to their race. If I walked around and every time someone was an arse to me, I took it to mean they didn't like short white guys, then I would have a shite ton of anecdotal evidence of short white guy bigotry.

It is a victim mentality. My mom was overweight. She would tell me when some store employee was rude to her it was because she was overweight, particularly at a clothing store. I told her everytime it was entirely in her head. That she was not being discriminated against. That she was being ridiculous. She was otherwise a highly intelligent person but could not overcome this victim mentality. I hated it and it pissed me off, but she refused to see reason. The black community is the exact same. It will likely not change for many generations. It is taught from father to son, mother to daughter. This mentality will persist indefinitely. If I pulled a Futurama and woke up in 1000 years, they would still have this mentality.

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