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re: Paid white tail hunts VS really earning a trophy
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:01 am to Raz4back
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:01 am to Raz4back
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I don't make a habit of taking pictures of other people's mounts
I do, otherwise folks wont believe you when you tell them.
Meet my brother, I'm behind the camera. He's standing in the living room of the owner of one of the premiere fair chase whitetail outfitters on the planet.
The smallest deer on that wall scores over 160. Theres a handful over 200. All were killed on the Mosquitoe Indian Reservation in Cando, Saskatchewan.
It took nearly three decades for him to assemble that wall and its a sight to behold.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 10:02 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:02 am to wiltznucs
I am not OCD, but the fact that the deer in the middle on the top row isn't looking straight ahead bothers me.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:03 am to TigerDeacon
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I am not OCD, but the fact that the deer in the middle on the top row isn't looking straight ahead bothers me.
You may be OCD...
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:07 am to wiltznucs
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You may be OCD...
I promise I am the opposite of OCD, but dang that would drive me crazy. All those huge deer and I would sit there and stare at that one.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:08 am to KG6
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I don't know many people regularly killing 130's on private, well managed (not fenced) land
Are they in the Mississippi delta? That's where these guys are killing their deer. It's a different ball game with delta soil.
Here are some Arkansas deer from this season. There are 5 or 6 from Turner Neal (it's a co-op) hunting club that score over 150".
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I do, otherwise folks wont believe you when you tell them.
He wouldn't be happy with me posting pictures of his "Kansas" bucks and telling where he really killed them. He doesn't even let his dad or brother know the general area that he hunts
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 10:20 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 10:34 am to wiltznucs
I want a deer on my wall with a drop tine....don't really care if I shoot it on the end of a rope
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:04 am to TigerDeacon
You do realize that every single mount in that pic has a turned head, right?
Oh, and turned head FTMFW. Straight head
Oh, and turned head FTMFW. Straight head
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:06 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
He's talking about how they are looking left and right converging towards the middle. I agree with him. It would drive me insane to not have one looking straight ahead in the middle of the top row.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:07 am to LoneStarTiger
I'd rather shoot a doe with my bow on my lease or a WMA than a 180" farm raised deer behind a fence. Don't care how many acres it is.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:08 am to TigerDeacon
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I had a guy in my office a few months ago that showed me a picture of a deer that he was going to go kill. He had already paid the place for the right to go shoot him. He then showed me a picture of a deer he had killed there last time but he thought they might have fooled him because it looked a little different from the picture where he "bought" it. That is not hunting.
How is this anything remotely close to what I have described?
Have you ever been on a property with a fence?
I have, the deer are not tame where I have been. If I fart the wrong way on a stand they blow out just like they would on public land.
do I see more deer? yes
Is the quality higher? yes
If I go to Pike county Illinois and hunt public land, and see more deer and higher quality than pineywoods Louisiana is that also not hunting?
ETA: I am not talking about breeding deer in pens and releasing them in a larger pen. I am talking about a large area of land surrounded by a fence.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 11:12 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:09 am to KingRanch
ah, that makes sense. My b.
Well shoot another one for the bottom row to even it out.
Well shoot another one for the bottom row to even it out.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:10 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
I've always wanted one with his lip curled up like his was straight up chasing a hot doe...
I think that might look cool straight ahead.
I think that might look cool straight ahead.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:18 pm to JJBTiger2012
When I was younger I was paid to deliver hunting gear to a fenced hunt in Texas. I ended up spending the weekend on the hunting ranch with my client and his customers. The first night there the guides produced a photo album with deer and their prices. It was very strange and didn't really seem like hunting to me. That being said, I could care less if someone shoots a fenced in deer. As long as its good clean fun, do whatever you'd like.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:35 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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How is this anything remotely close to what I have described?
Have you ever been on a property with a fence?
Have you ever had as much butt hurt as you are now?
Have you ever been more defensive about your "hunting"?
That story was not meant to be about you or what you described. It was a story. But if you want to go there, there is a range of "hunting" between total open fair chase and shooting livestock with numbers on them.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:41 pm to Sparkplug#1
I don't want anyone to tell me what my basket rack 8s cost me. I would punch em in their balls if they did
Kill it, catch it live wearing a loin cloth........I couldn't give a tinkers damn. Why anyone cares, I don't know.
I am like YF, I am about ready to club one to death tied to a tree to get a big ol rack on the wall, that way errybody will know I am a badass.
Kill it, catch it live wearing a loin cloth........I couldn't give a tinkers damn. Why anyone cares, I don't know.
I am like YF, I am about ready to club one to death tied to a tree to get a big ol rack on the wall, that way errybody will know I am a badass.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:46 pm to Ole Geauxt
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back off canuck, fellow muricans, 1st!
Whatever 3 fingers...
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:48 pm to Ole Geauxt
Im still waiting to see a high fence deer that is bigger than a free range Canuck deer...especially around Georgian bay....
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:48 pm to Sparkplug#1
To me, it's more about the respect for the animal as a whole. These days, you have these deer that are born, bred, and raised just to be shot. They're genetically selected for score. Then, they're put in these fences, after being around people their entire lives, and they're "hunted" and shot. There's no respect for the animal and there's no respect for what (I believe) hunting should be about. To me, hunting is about being in some kind of touch with the natural world, and it helps me realize that I'm just a small part of a much bigger picture.
It's just better summed up as this: I wouldn't want my kids to grow up thinking that's what hunting was all about...that killing huge deer is all that matters, and the end result is more important than the process and the journey. The early season scouting, learning the deer, their habits, why they do what they do, what certain things they eat, when they eat those certain things, why, how deer react to all of the variables in their lives, etc. For me, hunting is about understanding the animal. You don't get that going to pay someone to put you in a stand to shoot one of 40 huge deer that walk by there to eat out of a trough every day.
I don't care that people hunt high fences and shoot farmed deer like that. I just don't respect it, and if I see a deer like that hanging on someone's wall it's most definitely not going to impress me. That's not a "hunter." That's someone with some money that wanted a trophy to hang on their wall. All of the people I hunt with feel the same way. Do what you do. It's all in the outdoors and it's all good, it's just not really what I think hunting is. Just my opinion though.
eta: I would love to be able to go to Canada and hunt some of those deer. Same with those public land giants in the midwest. The opportunity just hasn't come for me yet. Soon enough though.
It's just better summed up as this: I wouldn't want my kids to grow up thinking that's what hunting was all about...that killing huge deer is all that matters, and the end result is more important than the process and the journey. The early season scouting, learning the deer, their habits, why they do what they do, what certain things they eat, when they eat those certain things, why, how deer react to all of the variables in their lives, etc. For me, hunting is about understanding the animal. You don't get that going to pay someone to put you in a stand to shoot one of 40 huge deer that walk by there to eat out of a trough every day.
I don't care that people hunt high fences and shoot farmed deer like that. I just don't respect it, and if I see a deer like that hanging on someone's wall it's most definitely not going to impress me. That's not a "hunter." That's someone with some money that wanted a trophy to hang on their wall. All of the people I hunt with feel the same way. Do what you do. It's all in the outdoors and it's all good, it's just not really what I think hunting is. Just my opinion though.
eta: I would love to be able to go to Canada and hunt some of those deer. Same with those public land giants in the midwest. The opportunity just hasn't come for me yet. Soon enough though.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:52 pm to tigerfoot
These were like $4500 a piece. The guide said if I couldn't afford a buck, I could shoot a doe for $700.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:58 pm to bluemoons
I'm a meat hunter and just throw the racks away (not that I deer hunt much). I want to take my son elk hunting, but he's going to want a bull. I'd prefer shooting a cow. I can understand somone's desire for a trophy, it's just not my thing.
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