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re: Here's a nice "f*ck you" to the Climate Change apostles (caution: sciency shite)
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:43 am to BugAC
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:43 am to BugAC
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1. What weather is attributed to man?
2. What should the temperature of Earth be year round, and exactly what factors at what specific points is causing the weather to do what weather does? For instance, if it is 80 degrees in march in the south, and not 70, what did humans do to change this? If it is in the 40's as it is now, in South Louisiana, what factors caused by man has caused this? What temperature should it be? SHould the temperature be the same throughout the world at all times?
3. Why has there been a shift from "global warming" to "climate change"? I know you are trying to divert from actually addressing the issue to arguing that its always been climate change, but if you are honest you know there has been a change in terminology by the politicians/media/paid scientists.
4. Do you care to discuss the articles merits that state that the change in weather around the globe is due to ..... WEATHER and not man?
5. Why do you liberal global warming nazis not take an approach of, "we must all be good stewards of this planet" instead of "any change in weather is attributed to SUV's".
6. Care to discuss why man made CO2 is attributed to the change in CO2 emissions, and not the more bountiful expulsion of CO2 by all life on this planet?
7. Care to discuss the climate change of the little ice age? The climate change of Europe from a tropical to a more temperate environment 600 years ago? Why is all climate change prior to recordable data considered natural and any slight gust of wind attributed to man?
8. Care to discuss why the scientific community has rejected global warming and the climate change scientists?
9. Care to discuss the hacked emails of the global warming/climate change scientists that state that their findings do not coincide with man made climate change?
10. Care to discuss why CO2 is the driver of temperature on Earth when it makes up .004% of the atmosphere? Care to discuss why CO2 is considered a driver of climate change as opposed to water vapor?
1. Weather isn't climate.
2. See 1.
3. I don't "know" that, and nobody has produced any evidence more compelling than the Google Books link. Can't really argue with a gut feeling.
4. See 1.
5. LINK
6. Because the important thing is net, not gross. The non-human biosphere takes up as much CO2 as it expels. We don't.
7. There are natural explanations for the LIA (Maunder minimum). There are no natural explanations for late 20th temps (solar irradiance trended down).
8. See 5.
9. I would if there were any emails that said such a thing. Maybe you're vastly over-inflating Trenberth's email?
10. Science lesson 1: Small things can have large effects. Ozone, for instance, makes up an even smaller portion of the atmosphere. Science lesson 2: CO2 drives climate because it doesn't precipitate out when directly added and water vapor does.
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Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:59 am to Iosh
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8. See 5.
9. I would if there were any emails that said such a thing. Maybe you're vastly over-inflating Trenberth's email?
The whole email fiasco was a black eye. Failure to at least acknowledge that harms your credibility somewhat.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:59 am to Iosh
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1. Weather isn't climate.
2. See 1.
Ok. So then the cooling or warming of Earth that is going on now is natural.
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6. Because the important thing is net, not gross. The non-human biosphere takes up as much CO2 as it expels. We don't.
Wait, are you arguing that the Earth does not absorb the CO2 produced by man, only by life forms? I'd be interested in seeing the study on that.
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There are no natural explanations for late 20th temps (solar irradiance trended down).
You don't believe the Earth is in the midst of a natural cooling cycle?
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9. I would if there were any emails that said such a thing. Maybe you're vastly over-inflating Trenberth's email?
I'll find them and link them.
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10. Science lesson 1: Small things can have large effects. Ozone, for instance, makes up an even smaller portion of the atmosphere. Science lesson 2: CO2 drives climate because it doesn't precipitate out when directly added and water vapor does.
BUt it is absorbed by other life on the planet.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:04 pm to Iosh
quote:Science lesson 3: There is life on Earth. Much of it respires. Respiration affects atmospheric CO2 levels.
Science lesson 2: CO2 drives climate because it doesn't precipitate out when directly added and water vapor does.
Science lesson 4: The sun warms.
Science lesson 5: There are oceans on Earth. They contain the vast majority of CO2. Ocean temperature affects atmospheric CO2 levels. (see Science lesson 4)
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:15 pm to Iosh
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10. Science lesson 1: Small things can have large effects. Ozone, for instance, makes up an even smaller portion of the atmosphere. Science lesson 2: CO2 drives climate because it doesn't precipitate out when directly added and water vapor does.
Another point to this. I can't find the thread, but in a previous thread i debated with a few of the global warming fanatics about CO2 makeup.
While i agree that small things can impact the atmosphere, the raise in atmospheric CO2 is minute.
I posted about it in a previous thread, here is what i posted.
LINK
America makes up 4% of the human population. Co2, makes up roughly .04% of the atmosphere. America's portion of that .04% is .016%. Now, it's estimated that 4% of that CO2 that is tallied comes from "man made" sources. So that would mean that man made CO2 makes up approximately .0064% of the Earth's atmosphere.
I repeat. America's CO2 output, which is the target here, makes up approximately .0064% of the world's atmosphere. And in your mind, that is why global climate change is happening?
6 one-thousandths of a percent...
LINK
Biosphere emits 55.28% of CO2 in the atmosphere
Oceans emit 41.46% of the CO2 in the atmosphere
Burning of fossil fuels emit 3.27% of CO2 in the atmosphere.
ETA: I believe my earlier post may be incorrect. Let's examine
4% of the CO2 emitted is due to fossil fuels.
.004% of the atmosphere is CO2
so
.00016% of the atmosphere is related to Fossil fuels (someone check my math)
Of that America's is responsible for 15% of the world's CO2 emmissions.
So 15% of .0000016 = .000024% of Earth's CO2 is due to America's CO2 emmissions.
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 12:25 pm
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