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Posted on 11/18/14 at 5:48 pm to SirWinston
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Well at the very least can we get even the pro-Palestine people to admit that THEY started this and that THEY started the rocket attacks 6 months ago?
Or do they revert to the double speak of "Israel oppressing and violating blah blah blah".
it's not doublespeak when true. Living under a military dictatorship, the Arabs have a right to kill their oppressors. This is a universal right which cannot be questioned.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 5:51 pm to rtts48
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Living under a military dictatorship, the Arabs have a right to kill their oppressors. This is a universal right which cannot be questioned.
They're not living under a military dictatorship.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 6:04 pm to rtts48
a Palestinian bus driver, 32, was found hanged in the Jerusalem bus depot. Israel rules this a suicide, the Palestinian doctor disagreed but his viewpoints were not widely distributed by Isreal (the Israeli spokesman implied he was lying). Family believes he was murdered by Jewish civilian extremists (settlers)
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Jerusalem (AFP) - A Palestinian bus driver was found hanged in his vehicle in Jerusalem, sparking clashes, after what Israel said was an apparent suicide but a colleague said looked like murder.
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The incident happened late on Sunday, with a supervisor finding the man's body at a bus depot in Har Hotzvim, an industrial zone in Jewish west Jerusalem, police said in a statement.
Family members identified the victim as Yusuf Hasan al-Ramuni, from Al-Tur on the Mount of Olives in annexed east Jerusalem. They ruled out suicide by the 32-year-old father of two.
But results from an autopsy carried out on the body Monday with the family's consent found no evidence of foul play in his death, police said.
"No suspicion of criminal activity was found," said police spokeswoman Luba Samri in a statement after a post-mortem was carried out at Abu Kabir forensic institute near Tel Aviv.
LINK
Jerusalem (AFP) - A Palestinian bus driver was found hanged in his vehicle in Jerusalem, sparking clashes, after what Israel said was an apparent suicide but a colleague said looked like murder.
Related Stories
Palestinian Bus Driver Found Dead in Jerusalem The Wall Street Journal
Jerusalem on edge after car attack as extremists plan march AFP
Despair fuels violence in riot-hit east Jerusalem AFP
Deadly Jerusalem synagogue attack horrifies Israel AFP
Clashes rock flashpoint Jerusalem mosque compound AFP
The incident happened late on Sunday, with a supervisor finding the man's body at a bus depot in Har Hotzvim, an industrial zone in Jewish west Jerusalem, police said in a statement.
Family members identified the victim as Yusuf Hasan al-Ramuni, from Al-Tur on the Mount of Olives in annexed east Jerusalem. They ruled out suicide by the 32-year-old father of two.
But results from an autopsy carried out on the body Monday with the family's consent found no evidence of foul play in his death, police said.
"No suspicion of criminal activity was found," said police spokeswoman Luba Samri in a statement after a post-mortem was carried out at Abu Kabir forensic institute near Tel Aviv.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 6:07 pm to TN Bhoy
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They're not living under a military dictatorship
you need to educate yourself. They have no rights under Israeli law, always a military tribunal. They rot in jails for years with no trial. They are routinely shot. They have their homes demolished for Jewish settlements. It's an intolerable apartheid military dictatorship with the democratic loving American people hypocritically support.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 6:26 pm to SirWinston
quote:I'm really not clear whether you're going for debate here or trolling, but just in case it's the former: when one makes a blanket statement such as "Israel never instigates hostilities" it's fairly important to define, objectively, what constitutes "hostilities." (Also what constitutes "Israel," but you don't seem to be going for "what's a Palestinian hurdurhur" so we'll put a pin in that.)
Kind of proves my point. Unless you read Drudge or watch Fox News you haven't heard of what happened. It's bull shite.
And the reason I'm asking for your definition before engaging you on specifics is because I've learned from experience that engaging partisans on specifics tends to lead to the following exchange:
Q1: "You say the Palestinians did (X), but suppose I were to say the Israelis instigated it with (Y)?"
A1: "(Y) doesn't count as hostilities because [custom-fit defintion]"
OR
A2: "(Y) was in turn instigated by (Z)" at which point we might regress A2 a few times until:
Q2: "But what about (Z)', where Israelis committed an act almost identical to (Z)?"
A3: "That's different, it doesn't count as hostilities when the Israelis do it because [custom-fit defintion]"
Asking for definitions doesn't prevent this sort of post-hoc rationalization for partisans, but it makes it more blatant to the few people who are reading the debate with an open mind.
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 11/18/14 at 6:39 pm to SirWinston
The Nakba (1947-48), 1956, 1967, 1982
Posted on 11/18/14 at 6:46 pm to SirWinston
quote:
Well at the very least can we get even the pro-Palestine people to admit that THEY started this and that THEY started the rocket attacks 6 months ago?
Your use of the word "they" seems to imply that this act was ordered by some Palestinian government entity (P.A., Hamas, etc.), rather than individuals acting alone. Do you think all Palestinians should be punished collectively for the actions of a few?
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:04 pm to rtts48
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you need to educate yourself. They have no rights under Israeli law, always a military tribunal. They rot in jails for years with no trial. They are routinely shot. They have their homes demolished for Jewish settlements. It's an intolerable apartheid military dictatorship with the democratic loving American people hypocritically support.
That's not a military dictatorship, that's an occupation, and you comparing it to Apartheid is incredibly disrespectful.
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 11/18/14 at 8:05 pm to TN Bhoy
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That's not a military dictatorship, that's an occupation, and you comparing it to Apartheid is incredibly disrespectful.
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Apartheid was a system of racial segregation in South Africa enforced through legislation by the National Party governments, the ruling party from 1948 to 1994, under which the rights, associations, and movements of the majority black inhabitants were curtailed and Afrikaner minority rule was maintained.
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By extension, the term is nowadays currently used for forms of systematic segregation, established by the state authority in a country, against the social and civil rights of a certain group of citizens, due to ethnic prejudices.
Please, TN Bhoy, educate us.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 8:21 pm to MrCarton
The solution is a secular state where all Arabs and Jews are citizens with full voting and civil rights. Nothing less than that will make peace in Israel/Palestine or whatever you call it.
Jews have no special right to the place that supersedes the rights of Arabs both Christian and Muslim.
Jews have no special right to the place that supersedes the rights of Arabs both Christian and Muslim.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 8:30 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Out and out terrirism . Lets see which governments have enough balls to say so. Abbas condemned it. Thumbs up to that. I am sure the UK and US will say something as will Canada. Who else? Nobody. But bet the house. They will bitch. When Israel. Responds.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 8:31 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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The solution is a secular state where all Arabs and Jews are citizens with full voting and civil rights. Nothing less than that will make peace in Israel/Palestine or whatever you call it.
I agree. This will happen eventually. The economic inroads have already begun.
Ironically the Christian evangelists will deny the "Palestinians" have these "rights" while simultaneously condemning Americas history of discrimination. Derp.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:35 pm to trackfan
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Do you think all Palestinians should be punished collectively for the actions of a few
yes. absolutely fricking yes.
they are the absolute scum of the earth and should be nuked into oblivion with nary a thought of their existence ever again
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:57 pm to lsuroadie
quote:religion of peace
they are the absolute scum of the earth and should be nuked into oblivion with nary a thought of their existence ever again
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:02 pm to Blue Velvet
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:09 pm to Tiguar
I always get weirded out when I see someone post a polandball on a non-chan messageboard. I forget how huge they are on reddit now.
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:18 pm to Iosh
I was introduced to them on 4chan years ago, I don't go to reddit. No idea how popular things are in that shithole.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:21 pm to SirWinston
Three AMERICANS get sliced to death in a blood orgy in Jerusalem by Palestinian murderers. Nutjobs on Western message boards around the globe line up ten deep to nonsensically place the blame on Israel with the same worn out slogans from 1975. "Zionist usurpers"," apartheid military dictatorship". It's the game.
Who even cares anymore what the anti-Israel crowd spews....
Who even cares anymore what the anti-Israel crowd spews....
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