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re: Is Kobe a team killer?
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:29 pm to AlexLSU
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:29 pm to AlexLSU
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Well that's simply not true. Kobe was the only all-star on the Lakers for at least two seasons during the Pau/Bynum/Odom era. He also led the 06 and 07 teams to the playoffs with a bunch of scrubs. It's not his fault that he played with another great player all the other years, and it's certainly not like he squandered the talent. Dude won five titles and played in seven NBA Finals.
Lets be honest, Kobe did nothing without a big. Most champs need a 2nd star. That's not a dig on him, but that's giving the credit where its deserved -> Pau Gasol.
04-05: New coach, no shaq, 34-48. Odom with 15/10
05-06: Phil, 45-37 (lost to phoenix). Odom with 15/9
06-07: Phil, 42-40 (lost to phoenix). Odom with 16/10, Bynum with 8/6
07-08: Phil, 57-25 (lost to Boston). Pau 19/8, Odom 14/11, Bynum injured (13/10)
08-09: Phil, 65-17 (won it all). Pau 19/10, Odom 11/8, and Bynum 14/8.
No Pau, no rings after Shaq.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 2:30 pm
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:31 pm to htran90
Carrying Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, Smush Parker and Kwame Brown to the playoffs is no small feat.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 3:05 pm to htran90
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Lets be honest, Kobe did nothing without a big. Most champs need a 2nd star. That's not a dig on him, but that's giving the credit where its deserved -> Pau Gasol.
My problem is that you can't win without another talented player, or a collection of talented players, on a team. No one is saying Kobe won five rings by himself, but to say that he did nothing without another star or "needs" another star is ridiculous for two reasons. First, Gasol, Bynum and Odom needed Kobe more than Kobe needed them. Kobe is still producing at an elite level, while Bynum and Odom are gonna be pawning their championship rings in a few years to make ends meet. Gasol is still very good, but he doesn't have to carry a team.
Second, EVERY star that wins a title has a lot of help. Whether it's another star player like Jordan/Pippen, Kobe/Shaq, Lebron/Wade, or teams with great role players and depth like 2014 SA, 2011 DAL, and 2004 Detroit, you ain't winning shite in the NBA without help.
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No Pau, no rings after Shaq.
If Pau wins another, he has Rose. Shaq's one that he got in Miami was with Wade (MVP of that series). I hate attempts to discredit NBA titles because teams had good players. Show me an NBA team that won a title with scrubs, and I'll buy into this line of thinking
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