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Posted on 11/13/14 at 12:39 am to
Posted by LosLobos111
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 12:39 am to
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The three biggest moves in terms of cap affect with Demps are matching PHX to keep Gordon, trading for Jrue and trading for Reke


There was probably pressure to keep Gordon from higher up and his upside at the time was very high so It made some sense why.

Jrue trade was fine,the 2013 draft was dreadful and we gave up a 10th pick that was used on a fricking euro. Yes that 10th pick may have been nice but it's such a clusterfrick.

Reke has played at a near all star level so I don't see the issue.

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Not only has brought in 3 ball-dominant guards into the starting 5,


So has PHX pretty much. Jrue/EG aren't ball-dominant,tyreke is the only one.

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but it also handicapped the team with the long term deals and lost draft picks, which has led to a shitty bench and no real room to improve until Gordon comes off the books after next season and/or Asik doesn't ink a long term deal following this season.


Long term deals that are far lower than what we would've had to shell out for parsons/hayward etc. Gordon isn't going to be here long term and Asik is a big piece of the puzzle.

We'll have big money in 2016.

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From a purely basketball perspective, AD doesn't get nearly enough touches that he should because he's mostly running with Jrue, Evans and, to a lesser extent, Gordon who need the ball in their hands to make an impact.


Jrue has played mostly off ball and his usg rate is actually quite low(31st among PGs). AD is fourth in usage rate.

Gordon has been taking outside shots and playing outside D so he's fine without the ball.

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Yeah AD is putting up ridiculous lines night in and night out, but tonight he only put the ball up 16 times. He should, at minimum, be taking 22 shots every game, but with the way this roster has been put together, that won't always be the case, which is not good at all.


He's so efficient at scoring that's not needed. Maybe a couple of more shots but why complain about 25/12 a game with the highest PER in the modern ERA?

Yes there could be adjustments but I like what i saw tonight.

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In my opinion, the Asik trade was the first move that Demps made that really seemed like he was building around Davis. A true center that bangs down low and grabs every board on either side of the floor allows Davis to roam around and play his more natural role.


Agreed and it's worked great.

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The only real downside of it is that it cost us a third straight 1st round pick and he could easily bail after 1 season.


We have his bird rights and by all accounts he likes it here. We could easily keep that pick too,even if we don't who cares about an 18th pick?

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Hopefully, more moves that compliment Davis will be coming along, but with our cap and draft situation, there will have to be strings pulled.


Making some small moves to help the bench would be good.


Posted by Broski
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 1:22 am to
Jrue's a scoring point guard who liked to run a lot of ISO at Philly, there's really no debating that. As for Gordon, yeah, he's playing off the ball a lot more than he has ever before and because of it, he's likely going to post his worts PPG and FG% numbers in his career.

This goes back to my previous point about how little thought Demps has put into this roster. At their best, Jrue, Reke and Gordon need to be on a team where they have the ball more than anyone else on the team. There's a reason why Jrue had an all-star season the year after Iggy left Philly,

Essentially, with those three making up our backcourt, we are tying one hand behind each of their backs.

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He's so efficient at scoring that's not needed. Maybe a couple of more shots but why complain about 25/12 a game with the highest PER in the modern ERA?


I'm doing the exact opposite of complaining about a 25/12 night. I'm saying his efficiency warrants him many more touches than he gets.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 1:34 am
Posted by htran90
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 1:41 am to
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We have his bird rights and by all accounts he likes it here. We could easily keep that pick too,even if we don't who cares about an 18th pick?



Houston signed him before Dwight and gave him the starting job and he played extremely well. Dwight show came to town and he was tossed to the side like the orphan boy.

Last year he had a bad attitude because he wants to be the starter and he wants to be an important piece of the team's future and success.

Orphan boy or not, I think as this team grows, he'll grow to love it here and he knows he's a big part of the success if we do continue to improve game by game.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 1:44 am
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 5:45 am to
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Reke has played at a near all star level


Not really

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Gordon has been taking outside shots and playing outside D so he's fine without the ball. 



He hadn't been shooting well outside, though. He has looked good in the rare event that we let him initiate offense. Early in last night's game, Gordon was leading the offense more than he has all year. He was very efficient and got 5 assists in the first 5 or 6 minutes.

Gordon and Holliday are not ball dominant only because of Tyreke's presence.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 5:51 am
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