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re: Cull buck?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 6:09 pm to wiltznucs
Posted on 11/10/14 at 6:09 pm to wiltznucs
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Don't waste your time with racks. The fact this deer scores less than 60 inches and yet has a huge belly shouldnt raise any alarms. Well nourished deer seldom show good antler development. These are unrelated factors. Especially at 3.5 years when most whitetails are nearing their prime and even the smallest whitetail subspecies like the Coues will nearly score 100 inches. This deers narrow width, lack of mass and immature face should all be disregarded since the belly is large and possibly simply distended due to eating fermented berries or grain.
I never have and never will judge a deer's age by their racks and I challenge you to find any expert that does. You really need to read up more on aging whitetails. Genetics and nutrition has more to do with antler size than age under 4 yrs old. I have killed a 3.5yr old deer that was just a normal 16 inch 8pt and I have seen a 140inch 3.5yr old 10pt. No 2 deer are a like when it comes to antlers.
It's not the belly that tells me this deer is 3.5 it's a combination of things. Yeah it does have a fatter than normal belly, but it's neck is way bigger than your normal 2.5 yr old. Another dead give away is the brisket. No 2.5yr old has a flabby brisket, they have slick and tight necks.
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Your right. Don't mind me. Bellies are the most effective method of judging deer. And looking for them deep tracks when they step in mud, that's good too.
This statement is just pure retarded. How do you think trophy hunters determine the age of their bucks? They do it by judging their body.
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Posted on 11/10/14 at 6:52 pm to wiltznucs
quote:Look, you were mistaken about age factors. It was no big deal. What you're doing now is just sad. You have come back from controversy before. You can still do it here. Read the qdma link, then just move along.
wiltznucs
Posted on 11/10/14 at 7:15 pm to offshoretrash
I really should read up. Being the son of an LDWF Biologist/Wildlife Manager who later moved to the GA DNR and was in the area where QDMA was founded has left me in a real knowledge deficit. Being around people who are paid to manage for trophy whitetails really screwed me up. I was so over whitetails as a child that I wouldn't even hunt them until I was a teenager. Hunting where the original Monster Bucks vids were filmed has left me retarded.
For the record, if you honestly believe your final statement you are not only ill informed but you should never venture to Alberta or Saskatchewan. When deer approach 350lbs even a 160" rack can look somewhat diminutive.
Find an expert that judges by the rack? Open any magazine of your choice fella. I've shared camp with Weishuhn, David Morris, Tom Miranda and Bill Jordan among others. Trophy hunters don't need the body. They know a whitetails ears span roughly 16 inches when relaxed. They know mainframe 4x4 will seldom if ever pass 140 inches. They know the main beam should extend to or past the deers nose when viewed from the side or be damn near touching when viewed head on. Judge by the body? When hunting a Canadian or Midwest whitetail the first thing most outfitters say is to ignore the body!
At this point I can't tell if you are simply a passionate troll or an absolute fraud.
For the record, if you honestly believe your final statement you are not only ill informed but you should never venture to Alberta or Saskatchewan. When deer approach 350lbs even a 160" rack can look somewhat diminutive.
Find an expert that judges by the rack? Open any magazine of your choice fella. I've shared camp with Weishuhn, David Morris, Tom Miranda and Bill Jordan among others. Trophy hunters don't need the body. They know a whitetails ears span roughly 16 inches when relaxed. They know mainframe 4x4 will seldom if ever pass 140 inches. They know the main beam should extend to or past the deers nose when viewed from the side or be damn near touching when viewed head on. Judge by the body? When hunting a Canadian or Midwest whitetail the first thing most outfitters say is to ignore the body!
At this point I can't tell if you are simply a passionate troll or an absolute fraud.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 7:26 pm to wiltznucs
well i have hunted with bubba and ricky joe from down the feed and supply store and i judge a deer not by its size, but its color....if its brown its down baby 
Posted on 11/10/14 at 7:27 pm to oleyeller
Lol... I'm pretty sure we've all hunted with Bubba and Ricky Joe at some point!
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 7:27 pm to oleyeller
double post
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 7:29 pm to wiltznucs
quote:You are so confused at this point, I'm not sure where to start. This is about age, not judging a "trophy", and yes, you need to read a lot and swallow some pride.
Trophy hunters don't need the body. They know a whitetails ears span roughly 16 inches when relaxed. They know mainframe 4x4 will seldom if ever pass 140 inches. They know the main beam should extend to or past the deers nose when viewed from the side or be damn near touching when viewed head on. Judge by the body? When hunting a Canadian or Midwest whitetail the first thing most outfitters say is to ignore the body!
Posted on 11/10/14 at 7:29 pm to wiltznucs
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This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 7:29 pm to wiltznucs
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Lol... I'm pretty sure we've all hunted with Bubba and Ricky Joe at some point!
smoke pall malls and drink keystone light? if so... yep thats them
Posted on 11/10/14 at 7:34 pm to oleyeller
I just shoot 'em. I leave the judging, culling, scoring, measuring bullshite to all y'all folks with more time than me.
He gone if I see him this weekend.
He looks to be a good 30# heavier than most bucks we kill.
He gone if I see him this weekend.
He looks to be a good 30# heavier than most bucks we kill.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 7:38 pm to Slickback
Good looking OB 2-3 year old. Get em' Slick...
Posted on 11/10/14 at 7:43 pm to wiltznucs
You think he's 2-3? He's a rare one if so. Most 3-4 year old bucks we kill are 150ish. He looks 180-190.
If I see him in person I may pass. I'd much rather shoot a doe than a small buck, but we shall see.
If I see him in person I may pass. I'd much rather shoot a doe than a small buck, but we shall see.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 7:47 pm to wiltznucs
quote:Did you post this to impress others or to get sympathy.
I've shared camp with Weishuhn, David Morris, Tom Miranda and Bill Jordan
If you could have Buck McNeely or Babe Winkleman you would have had the royal flush of rent a hunters with you.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 7:48 pm to tigerfoot
Nailed
Posted on 11/10/14 at 7:51 pm to wiltznucs
quote:what point here says the characteristics of a deer rack is the most accurate factor in age determination.
Kroll's controlled experiments proved a few things including 1) racks grow in a predictable pattern from one year to the next 2) these patterns hold true for whitetail deer across North America 3) age is the single most important factor in producing quality bucks 4) the "shoot all spikes because they are genetically inferior" adage is patently false and that by time spikes reach maturity their racks vary little from deer who had 3/4 or more points at one year old. (See "Spike Wars" circa 2010)...
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 7:53 pm to tigerfoot
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Did you post this to impress others or to get sympathy.
That group is pretty cool. No real diva qualities that I saw. Now I've hunted with and guided a few others that would be more deserving of sympathy for sure.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 7:58 pm to wiltznucs
quote:Diva would not be a word I was thinking of, guys that shoot a deer that a guide scouts for them and has aged for them and then getting on TV and anyone being impressed with them, is just kinda sad. The fact that you posted these numb nuts to prove a point is a little confusing.
No real diva qualities that I saw
But I now know that if I see a rack with good mass, character, and scores pretty high, I should shoot him no matter the body.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:01 pm to wiltznucs
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For the record, if you honestly believe your final statement you are not only ill informed but you should never venture to Alberta or Saskatchewan. When deer approach 350lbs even a 160" rack can look somewhat diminutive.
We don't live in Canada we live in an area that is pretty cut and dry when judging deers age.
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Being the son of an LDWF Biologist/Wildlife Manager who later moved to the GA DNR and was in the area where QDMA was founded has left me in a real knowledge deficit.
My dad can sing and play the guitar, it doesn't mean I can.
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Find an expert that judges by the rack? Open any magazine of your choice fella. I've shared camp with Weishuhn, David Morris, Tom Miranda and Bill Jordan among others. Trophy hunters don't need the body. They know a whitetails ears span roughly 16 inches when relaxed. They know mainframe 4x4 will seldom if ever pass 140 inches. They know the main beam should extend to or past the deers nose when viewed from the side or be damn near touching when viewed head on. Judge by the body? When hunting a Canadian or Midwest whitetail the first thing most outfitters say is to ignore the body!
You are not understanding my statement. Trophy managers do not go by horn size, trophy hunters do.
Go to Giles Island and kill a buck by the antler size and it be under a 5 year old and see how much you pay.
BTW I will be going to Alberta the 21st of Nov and no I won't be looking a body size or even care how old the deer is. I will be judging by the rack.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:09 pm to tigerfoot
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Diva would not be a word I was thinking of, guys that shoot a deer that a guide scouts for them and has aged for them and then getting on TV and anyone being impressed with them, is just kinda sad. The fact that you posted these numb nuts to prove a point is a little confusing.
Probably not a fair assessment of those guys. Their motivations are all a bit different. Jordan was about selling videos and apparel. Weishuhn is as big a deer nerd as one will find and the most knowledgeable whitetail hunter I've met. Miranda is a writer who ended up on TV. David Morris is actually a Masters degree holding Biologist.
Easy to get jealous of what and where they hunt but all seemed pretty humble.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:10 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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