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re: Is Our Offense Too Complex?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:22 pm to baobabtiger
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:22 pm to baobabtiger
I remember DeSean Smith dropping one ball this year. Am I missing something? A guy drops one ball and that's it? No more passes? He's phased out of the offense altogether? The tight ends have no rhythm or chemistry with the QB's, and they haven't for years. Maybe if they were thrown more than a pass or two all year, they'd improve. What the hell are they doing in practice? I can't imagine what Miles has to tell the mother of tight end prospect in order to get him to sign.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:23 pm to baobabtiger
Because they get thrown to once every 6 games and are shocked it came to them
But there's no excuse for DeSean Smith not playing. He dropped a pass vs Wisky and hasn't been seen since. Dural has dropped passes. Diarse has dropped passes. Dupre has dropped passes. Quinn has dropped passes. And they don't get benched for it.
But there's no excuse for DeSean Smith not playing. He dropped a pass vs Wisky and hasn't been seen since. Dural has dropped passes. Diarse has dropped passes. Dupre has dropped passes. Quinn has dropped passes. And they don't get benched for it.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:26 pm to Cleetus_VanDamme
Toss dive, option to the short side and punt. Seem pretty easy to master.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:28 pm to LSUwag
Got a laugh outta me too aha ha
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:32 pm to AjaxFury
Yeah yeah, I get that we run the same plays over and over and over again, and they usually don't work. My point is that we haven't committed to an offensive identity and thus don't excel at anything in particular.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:43 pm to Cleetus_VanDamme
Run, run, pass, punt is really complex.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:50 pm to AjaxFury
I think there is too much stuff for our young qb's. Clearly they are not executing. That is all the proof I need that there is too much on their plate. I think the issue is that lsu has added some zone read aspects without culling anything. There is so much on their plate they can't execute it at sec speed. There is the two tight run check stuff, under center playaction, the zone read stuff, the vertical passing stuff that cam likes, and a few quick game concepts sprinkled in.
A perfect example from the other night was when lsu ran a simple quick game concept called "stick" its basically June Jones's old double quick out. Qb has a simple read on the flat player. Harris barely glanced way and just took off. To me that screams of too few reps. I think they need to cull and get good at gun runs, quick game, and play action.
I love the approach auburn took last year after the lsu game.they just said screw it, we're going to be a zone read, and zone triple team and run a few play actions with one or two drop back concepts and they sold out on it for executions' sake.
Just my opinion from the outside looking in.
A perfect example from the other night was when lsu ran a simple quick game concept called "stick" its basically June Jones's old double quick out. Qb has a simple read on the flat player. Harris barely glanced way and just took off. To me that screams of too few reps. I think they need to cull and get good at gun runs, quick game, and play action.
I love the approach auburn took last year after the lsu game.they just said screw it, we're going to be a zone read, and zone triple team and run a few play actions with one or two drop back concepts and they sold out on it for executions' sake.
Just my opinion from the outside looking in.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:52 pm to Cleetus_VanDamme
We wonder why our online sucks? They have to learn to block for three different offenses and the are all big road graders. None of then are what I would consider agile zone blockers.
Like the qb's. Les and company have recruited top notch talent to do what they are not good at.
Like the qb's. Les and company have recruited top notch talent to do what they are not good at.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:00 pm to KG5989
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Because they get thrown to once every 6 games and are shocked it came to them
Dickson has dropped a couple balls and fell out of bounds on a catch at AU and killed the drive. Also 85 has dropped the ball once.
I'm more interested in the backs getting the ball out of the backfield on a swing pass rather than on a screen when everyone in the stadium knows it's coming. I think 18, 7, or 34 would do a lot more with those opportunities and have done so when giving the chance verses falling on their faces.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:16 pm to baobabtiger
I'm sure we can all agree that getting a few high % throws at the beginning of the game to get Harris in a rhythm early. When you run 17 run plays out of 20 and they finally call a pass it almost sends a message like "Pass?!" What is this "pass" that they speak of...?...they must be panicking".
You know as opposed to "yea, our QB has a stellar arm, it's a PASS beaches! Y'all are toast!"
You know as opposed to "yea, our QB has a stellar arm, it's a PASS beaches! Y'all are toast!"
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:56 pm to AjaxFury
There is a distinction to be made between the conservative play calling and how complicated the whole playbook, checks and calls are. I remember hearing both Gary Daniekson and John Gruden talk about how we were running a true pro offense last year, with WR route trees and hot route adjustment calls just like you would see on Sundays. While the offensive staff may have watered things down for Jennings and Harris, I'm sure they still have a lot to keep straight out there.
You know what they say. Thinking too much on the football field makes you slow down and play passively. It takes time to get comfortable handling all that to the point where it is automatic. It is certainly possible that complexity of the overall system is bogging both of them down.
You know what they say. Thinking too much on the football field makes you slow down and play passively. It takes time to get comfortable handling all that to the point where it is automatic. It is certainly possible that complexity of the overall system is bogging both of them down.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:04 am to misey94
Yeah LSU runs a pro offense, a type which is generally regarded as being complex compared to the spreads.
Plus the fact that the only QBs to run it well under Miles have been juniors or seniors makes it seem too complex to me. We'll never see a redshirt fresh or soph QB run it successfully, so therefore we have bad offenses most years.
Plus the fact that the only QBs to run it well under Miles have been juniors or seniors makes it seem too complex to me. We'll never see a redshirt fresh or soph QB run it successfully, so therefore we have bad offenses most years.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:07 am to Cleetus_VanDamme
Not complex at all. Qb and rb just need to remember right left or most likely up the gut run on 1st and 2nd down. Wrs and o line need to run block. If third and long throw an incompletion to set up the 4th down punt. If third and medium or short, run to set up the punt
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:23 am to matsuflex
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I think so. QB is always confused every year. We can never do the simple things. Teams like auburn and a&m have a handful of plays with variations. Most teams look like they practice the plays they run and lsu usually looks like kids in the backyard making shite up in the dirt
Those teams run those offenses with great athletes. Yet LSU has generally been successful in stopping them because they have had great athletes with experience on defense. That is not the case this year.
It is easy to always focus on the games which are not successful. LSU has been consistently successful in what they do. Perhaps the times are really changing, but lets give it at least a five year period of comparison before making a judgment. Teams no longer run the wishbone and the veer for a reason although they were successful offenses. Wasn't that long ago that Rich Rodriguez was the darling of the offensive gurus.
It just may be that teams are catching LSU and to a lesser extent Alabama in the down cycle and both will begin to ( hate to say it) restore order next season.
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