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re: What should the USA have done after 11 September 2001?
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:02 pm to asurob1
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:02 pm to asurob1
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To me, the biggest foreign policy error we have made since Vietnam was the invasion of Iraq.
You have set out a position that is essentially unassailable and irrefutable. I challenge anybody to make a case that makes you look silly by taking this position. I can't disagree.
That said, IMHO, both Vietnam and Iraq were/are winnable wars for the USA, but, the costs would outweigh the benefits, unless the USA would be willing to occupy those respective countries and help ourselves to the natural resources therein until the monetary costs of the war is paid in full, with interest AND monetary solatia/sympathy payments to the families of the US war dead.
The USA has always been unwilling to do that, even though IMHO it would not be immoral to do so.
This post was edited on 9/12/14 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:15 pm to Champagne
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That said, IMHO, both Vietnam and Iraq were/are winnable wars for the USA
This is the fallacy - the war was WON in Vietnam after Tet and won again in Paris - it was the weak-kneed, progessive U.S. Congress that refused to allow lame duck Ford to reinforce and support that victory. The war was lost with guys like Kronkite and others saying things about the war. That plus the progressive protestors conveniently forgetting that it was their guy, President Great Society that, effectively, invented the war to begin with and that Nixon agreed to wind it down (it was won), "Peace With Honor" - and actually kept to his timetable, with reasonable actions taken necessary to secure victory.
Now, do you want to blame Nixon for the war being lost after he engaged in all of his extra-Constitutional chicanery to secure victory in an election he almost couldn't have lost if he tried? Guilty as charged - he'd been in Washington so long, he thought he WAS the law.
The same thing happened with all the mucking about in Iraq. Iraq was WON. It was over - twice, really - the conventional part early on in 2003 and again after the surge.
That victory has been rolled back (and Afghanistan is in jeopardy) because our collective political will for victory is NONEXISTENT in the post-WWII era. Nonexistent.
And a big reason for that is the constant assault by progressives on any military action taken by a Republican in the WH - the reason being, they are perceived as so weak on foreign policy, they don't foresee - EVER - a Democratic President having a strong reputation on national defense.
Heck, 3 in a row weren't bad - FDR, Harry S and JFK. Since then, they're 0-fer.
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