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re: Play Calling Response Thread

Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:12 pm to
Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
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Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:12 pm to
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WOW, you totally have reading comprehension issues.



Yea I pretty much ignored him. Not my fault he can't comprehend what I had written.
Posted by Rex
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Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:12 pm to
Has anyone considered that Wisconsin was successful at crashing to the ball because they knew that LSU was very unlikely to fake to that first ball carrier?

In warfare, deception is one of the most valuable weapons. Grant knew it. Lee knew it. I don't think Miles knows it.
Posted by DBU
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Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:14 pm to
Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2006
7541 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:14 pm to
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Right. Wisky had won 12 straight openers. Lsu started a qb with 1 start ,lost our rb workhorse, and over 2000 yards of wr offense and people are wondering why we didn't light up a top 15 team.



How many starts did McEvoy have?
They also lost Abbrederis.
They also lost their front 7.

Stop making excuses for LSU.
Posted by thend15
Member since Nov 2013
12 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:14 pm to
Why does A&M put up a lot of points? They play the spread. The whole point of their game plan is to outscore the opponents. Sometimes that makes it look like you're dominating i.e. 52-28, but a lot of the time when you're playing big boy SEC teams, especially LSU, it doesn't freaking work It's why LSU doesn't lose to A&M, and why A&M doesn't win the West.

It's because of what we play. We don't do it West Coast, we don't run the spread. We beat the shite out of people until we come out on top. We try to keep our offense on the field so the spread teams aren't on the field as long, and our defense shuts them down while they are. It's a better system. It's why Bama does it too. It means we don't always lead the whole time, it meas the wins won't be pretty, but they're wins. Ridiculously more often than not, the W is what happens.

Would I like to have a little more misdirection and play action? Sure. Would I like the TE's to catch the ball and Jennings to complete his screens so that the I isn't a one dimmensional formation? Sure. Would I like to see more designed quarterback runs ? Absolutely.

But it's the first freaking game for a young team, and if you don't think that Wisky was a damn good team you're wrong. That was a blueprint on how to beat LSU, a brilliant one. And they executed it, but they coudn't EXECUTE THE ENTIRE GAME. LSU outlasts. We are strong, and we know it.

Also watch that A&M game again. The SCar defense was not ready at all. There was NO communication. LSU would have scored on them almost as much as A&M, and SCar wouldn't have scored nearly as much on us.

So stop being the 4 year old who wants what the other kids have, because the shiny toys suck, I promise.
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
18811 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:15 pm to
Must be why Les isn't General Miles. Amazing how Les wins so much and he can't out smart you.
Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2006
7541 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:15 pm to
That's been my point for most the thread. But I'm still a "clueless idiot."

Basically that we need more variation than run up the middle.
Posted by graychef
Member since Jun 2008
28378 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:18 pm to
What happened in the fourth?
It's not the fact that they went to an aerial assault. They made a slight change to a 3 WR set, forced Wisconsin to back up and ran it down their throats. The blocking assignments changed. The plays changed. Hilliard found a groove. Those are all coaching changes.

All the work that was done in quarters 1-3 paid off in the fourth.
Posted by Geaux Tahel
Member since Feb 2006
6650 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:18 pm to
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In warfare, deception is one of the most valuable weapons. Grant knew it. Lee knew it. I don't think Miles knows it.


In warfare, power, intimidation, and shock is one of the most valuable weapons. That's why tanks were created. Stalin knew it, Hitler knew it, Patton knew it. Miles knows it.
Posted by graychef
Member since Jun 2008
28378 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:20 pm to
Didn't Jennings only have seven pass attempts in the second half? They still ran the ball, just with a different look.


A coaching adjustment.
Posted by Geaux Tahel
Member since Feb 2006
6650 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:21 pm to
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Stop making excuses for LSU.


I think people will stop making excuses for LSU, about the same time people stop insinuating LSU should beat a major 5 conferences best (or 2nd best) team 52-7
Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2006
7541 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:21 pm to
Umm the fact that they went to a 3 WR set and Spread offense is what forced Wisconsin to change from their 3-4 to the nickel.

They couldn't cover our WRs in the 3-4, and they couldn't stop our running game in the nickel.

Thanks for proving my points. That basically changing up the offense is what lead to the comeback.

For the first 3 Quarters we pretty much only tried to run against the 3-4 and pass when it was necessary. Yet when we passed the ball on 1st and 2nd down we had a lot of success.
Posted by graychef
Member since Jun 2008
28378 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:22 pm to
But how is LSU to know this pregame? The perception was LSU's line could push Wisconsin. It didn't happen and adjustments were made. What was your point again?
Posted by thend15
Member since Nov 2013
12 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:23 pm to
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even all the experts on ESPN are saying the same thing" if Wisconsin runs the ball in the 2nd half they win". FACT: we got lucky. Jennings first touchdown was a prayer thrown into double coverage!!!


And we stuffed Gordon who then got hurt, or got i a fight with his coach, we aren't sure. Then we stuffed their other RB. We shut down they're running game and they got scared. They didn't stick to their guns because we were stacking the box. Y'all are calling for us to pass when we get our box stacked. So we stack the box and they pass, but it's the wrong call for them?


That was not a prayer, go watch it. It was a receiver who stayed on his route and got a step of separation from the closest defender, and a qb who extended the play, and put it in front of a receiver who was ahead of the coverage. It was a damn good play. Double coverage is only bad if there's no separation.
Posted by lsu2006
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Member since Feb 2004
39991 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:24 pm to
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ALL HAIL LSU2006. If you have an opinion opposite of his he goes out of his way to insult you. Even if he is in the wrong, he will bash you none stop till you leave the thread. Damn dictator douche.


Sorry I don't need to manipulate stats to make some stupid and irrelevant point while ignoring hard facts and using your eyes to see what actually happened in the game. Our offense sputtered in the first half doing what we thought we be our strength. Load up the box and go right at them. We adjusted. NO frickING shite.

I'm also sorry that LSU won. I can tell it's hard on you, because your vagina is bleeding over into your posts. Keep up the good work
Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2006
7541 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:25 pm to
On our first Touchdown drive in the 4th.

LSU had 8 plays 59 yards of offense.
3(1 being a 4 yard sack) plays were passes for 63 yards.
You do the math of how well we ran the ball.

That was the drive that forced them to change from the 3-4 to the nickel. Which set up for Hilliard to go off the next drive for 3 plays 53 yards 1 TD.

Amazing how the passing opened up the run game.
Posted by graychef
Member since Jun 2008
28378 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:28 pm to
I think Jennings passed on 1st down nine times. Seven of those in the first half.

Again, it's not that LSU went pass happy. An adjustment to the scheme made the difference. A coaching adjustment.
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 7:31 pm
Posted by Geaux Tahel
Member since Feb 2006
6650 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:28 pm to
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orry I don't need to manipulate stats to make some stupid and irrelevant point while ignoring hard facts and using your eyes to see what actually happened in the game. Our offense sputtered in the first half doing what we thought we be our strength. Load up the box and go right at them. We adjusted. NO frickING shite.

I'm also sorry that LSU won. I can tell it's hard on you, because your vagina is bleeding over into your posts. Keep up the good work


BOOM
Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2006
7541 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:29 pm to
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Load up the box and go right at them. We adjusted. NO frickING shite.


It took till the first drive of the 4th Quarter before we stopped running at a stacked box.

And like my last post. The passing game opened up our running game because they had to respect the WR's.

It also took injuries to 2/3rds of their defensive line and their heisman caliber running back to have a comeback. Sorry you also couldn't comprehend the talent level between the two teams. That LSU could lose Robinson and still put out a better CB than Wisconsin could field.

Sorry you are a dumbass and can't understand when and how we adjusted.
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
18811 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:29 pm to
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I'm also sorry that LSU won. I can tell it's hard on you, because your vagina is bleeding over into your posts. Keep up the good work


Many of these guys really do take wins too hard. This one was most likely very hard on them as the coaching staff let them rant and rave for a half only to dash their hopes.
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