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We made a mistake in removing Saddam from power. He may have been a a-hole thug piece of shite but we could control him and he would keep things quiet in iraq and ensure stability in the Mideast compared to today where we have bat shite crazy jihadists running around and fricking shite up.

yeah here is the middle east catch-22

they respond to 2 forms of government: harsh theocracies under Islam or brutal, authoritarian regimes (it can be secular)

if we support the authoritarian regimes in order to keep peace, then we are the bad guy. if we free these states, they choose (or are conquered by) brutal islamic theocracies. this is why we have such a pattern of frenemies over there

i think the only exception to this, is basically the kurds. even israel falls into group A

the neocons were philosophically correct at their base, which is that western culture is superior to the culture of the middle east

the problem is that executing that belief and turning it into reality is impossible. if we free a group of either type of government, it will devolve back into shitty, inferior culture.

when people criticize those who formerly supported Bush who now don't, they don't understand that most of those people have become war weary and now fully understand that we can't do shite to fix the middle east.

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Posted by Clete Purcel

Jennings, LA

Member since Oct 2013

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Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:33 am to SlowFlowPro

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when people criticize those who formerly supported Bush who now don't, they don't understand that most of those people have become war weary and now fully understand that we can't do shite to fix the middle east.

Agreed! I'm war weary and after seeing the results of us being over there in Iraq and Afghanistan, I wouldn't want to send my sons to fight in what seems to be a lost cause. If they would just stay within their borders and live like savages that would be fine. The problem is they don't. They insist on blowing up things in NYC, embassies around the world, etc.

It is a big catch-22. If we come against them with force (which is the only language they understand), we breed more terrorists intent on attacking the West. On the other hand, ignoring them doesn't seem particularly effective either.

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Posted by TX Tiger

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Member since Jan 2004

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Posted on 8/29/14 at 11:43 am to SlowFlowPro

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when people criticize those who formerly supported Bush who now don't, they don't understand that most of those people have become war weary and now fully understand that we can't do shite to fix the middle east.

I agree, the criticism is misplaced. Those people should be criticized for believing that this was ever the intent.

Government has no intentions of taking care of its own people. Why would you believe they would try to do so with people halfway around the globe?

ETA: And please explain why people constantly criticize government in every other aspect of existence, but when it comes to this, government somehow magically transforms into this angelic savior of the world? And anyone who dares cross that line of criticism is looked upon as an outcast?

Please explain the logic in that?

tia

This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 11:50 am

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