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re: Poll on Economy... Is it still 'Bush's Fault'?

Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:26 pm to
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Predicting the "end is near" without saying what is currently wrong isn't saying anything. The primary reasonable fear is some after affect of the country's debt service causing a problem. Is there some other industry (banking, etc) issue that would cause a sudden impact that administration isn't addressing?
I would love to explain.

During the dot-com era, assets became overvalued and eventually the stock market went way down as the bubble burst. Unemployment went up, the economy shrunk, etc.

This short-term pain was necessary to reallocate resources around the economy. But Alan Greenspan didn't want that, so he manipulated the interest rates down to make borrowing cheaper and encourage investment.

So all of that investment created by cheap money went into housing. Housing values went way up.

Greenspan kicked the can down the road, and once again, the bubble popped. The housing bubble and credit crunch.

So what did the government do this time? Did they let the economy reallocate resources, which would be painful but necessary to rebuild the economy stronger? Nope. They kicked the can down the road again.

Now, the Fed is creating money and the banks then lend to the Treasury to pay for government. All of this is possible because of the extremely low interest rates.

They can keep borrowing because the dollar is the reserve currency. The more they print, the less the dollar is worth. Eventually, borrowers are going to get tired of getting paid back with dollars worth less than the ones they loaned. Eventually, the credit market will dry up.

Eventually, the interest rates will go up. They have to. And for the largest debtor nation, that is bad news.

Adjustable-rate mortgage? Payments will skyrocket. Welcome lots of foreclosures, and eventually another housing collapse.

Banks? If the interest rates rise, many banks will be done, too.

Then we got the national debt. Most of it matures in less than a year, and rising interest rates would be catastrophic.

Will the government tighten or print? Of course, they will print. This will cause massive inflation.




There is a lot more to it, but in short, it will end eventually. Who knows when. But it will.

The economy is not in great shape even with extremely low interest rates and the Fed pumping money into the economy. That is only keeping up appearances.

It will come to an end eventually, and when it does, it will be a big crash.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35512 posts
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:53 pm to
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Adjustable-rate mortgage? Payments will skyrocket. Welcome lots of foreclosures, and eventually another housing collapse.

Banks? If the interest rates rise, many banks will be done, too.
This happened. Starting in 2005 but then going big time in 2008. Yet you believe the economy in free fall (as it was in 2008) is just as bad as it is today?

Housing values are currently back to normal levels and I would say there are a lot less bad home loans out thee (mostly due to the defaults that already occurred under the recession). Unemployment is trending down.

The biggest fear that I see as legit is municipal and state debt as well as a general lack of industry in the US. Neither of which the President can do much about.

However with deficits getting smaller and unemployment trending in the right direction there should be no denying that the economy is better than when Obama took office.

The economy under Bush was horrible yet for some reason many posters want to credit Bush with economic numbers in 2005 while blaming the crash in 2008 on Clinton... which is illogical and pretty ironic in this thread.
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