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Sigh. First of all, the two versions that we run is a toss iso(double the 3 tech, center blocks back on nose, fullback leads up on MLB). And a toss power. Both are effective for what they are. They both fit in with our theme perfectly. Big nasty offensive line, a mean hard hitting, wreck less abandon fullback, and a big bruising running back all just inflicting punishment on the defense over the course of 4 quarters. Just like any running play, the opportunity for a big gain is always there, but only when the one on one battle is won. If the center and 2 guards get their block, full back gets his, then it's up to the running back to win his one on one matchup. That's when the play busts for a big gain!

All of that post makes sense, but the debate here is not about the blocking scheme, but about whether to toss the ball or hand it off. The positive is that the running back allegedly gets the ball quicker in his hands to see the hole opening. My opinion is that the running back has to watch the ball in to catch a toss, while on a handoff he can be watching the holes open. The negative of the play is the chance of play action. When backers/safeties see the toss they are a step quicker to the line of scrimmage to stop the run.

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Posted by TigerBlood17

Member since Jan 2014

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Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:09 am to Choupique19

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All of that post makes sense, but the debate here is not about the blocking scheme, but about whether to toss the ball or hand it off. The positive is that the running back allegedly gets the ball quicker in his hands to see the hole opening. My opinion is that the running back has to watch the ball in to catch a toss, while on a handoff he can be watching the holes open. The negative of the play is the chance of play action. When backers/safeties see the toss they are a step quicker to the line of scrimmage to stop the run.

This is my whole point!

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Posted by 7thWardTiger

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Member since Nov 2009

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Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:18 am to Choupique19

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The negative of the play is the chance of play action. When backers/safeties see the toss they are a step quicker to the line of scrimmage to stop the run.

how is this a negative? Everything that you said in this statement is what makes it a great play to set up play action off of. Not a diss to you or anyone else, but unless you played linebacker or understand the reads the defense makes, you don't really understand how setting up the play action. Most schemes for linebackers are to read their guard to qb to running back. So the more and more that we run this, the more the linebackers are sucked in, the more we can run a play action pass or even a regular toss sweep off the same motion. As the game progresses, fatigue sets in, and it's where you see the difference between well coached kids and not so well coached. The mental discipline to continue to go through your reads gets a lot harder once your winded. Think Oregon. Nearly all of oregon plays in the chip kelly era were identical. Run at a high pace and gained effectiveness once fatigue sets in. My coach always taught us that "your eyes will trick you"

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Posted by TigerBait1127

Houston

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Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:14 am to Choupique19

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My opinion is that the running back has to watch the ball in to catch a toss, while on a handoff he can be watching the holes open

And he has a set track on said handoff until after he gets the ball. He's able to secure the ball sooner on the toss and is free to cut back earlier

There are pros to both, which is why we run both

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