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re: The Obama Bank Shakedown- "It has nothing to do with justice or restitution"
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:50 am to rcocke2
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:50 am to rcocke2
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Banks need to start loaning money out like they always have
I guess they heard you because commercial and industrial loans made by commercial banks are sitting close to their highest levels post crisis and right around their pre-crisis average.
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stay away from the risky derivatives trading
Everything has risk. Would you say a commercial loan made to you is less risky than a 10-year interest rate swap with JP Morgan as the counterparty? Or how about a Eurodollar future?Because that's what you're implying. Derivatives are not weapons of mass financial destruction, they are just financial instruments that have their own risk profiles.
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They do not know shite about risk either.
Maybe you should start a consulting business to go drop some wisdom on them. I mean we're only talking about people that understand risk on an enormous scale better than any other human being on the planet, who's backup to their backup models are still made by particle physics PhDs. I'm sure you'll enlighten them.
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I suppose Hedge Funds also have taxpayer backstops for their investments?
Nope, they also don't have a mountain full of regulation to comply with.
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We have been bailing out the Banks since the 80s, so how are they not Utilities?
Commercial and investment banks weren't bailed out in the 80's, S&L's were. In 2008 as some have already pointed out, some banks didn't need or want bailouts but had to, the bailouts were to keep the global financial system from collapsing. Now post crisis banks are being regulated to the point where they may look more and more like utility companies, but that is a consequence of the bailout and not a material implication with taking a bailout.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:41 am to BennyAndTheInkJets
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Maybe you should start a consulting business to go drop some wisdom on them. I mean we're only talking about people that understand risk on an enormous scale better than any other human being on the planet, who's backup to their backup models are still made by particle physics PhDs. I'm sure you'll enlighten them.
Do you mean the Value-At-Risk models they use? If they understand 'risk' on an enormous scale then why did we have these bailouts (BofA has a $118 billion commitment to cover its toxic assets from FED)?
Please do enlighten me with some evidence that the risk models used by these institutions are sound? The past decade of failures and insolvency tell me these models are very flawed, create false sense of confidence. However, people are cowards by nature, so maybe the models (wrong as the are) are a necessity, wrong or right. I'd rather have no model than one that underestimates risk.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:35 am to BennyAndTheInkJets
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I mean we're only talking about people that understand risk on an enormous scale better than any other human being on the planet, who's backup to their backup models are still made by particle physics PhDs.
John Maynard Keynes on models, " To convert a model into a quantitative formula is to destroy its usefulness as an instrument of thought."
Which means, stop using the modeling methods of the Engineering sciences to quantify 'risks' in financial instruments.
PhDs??? About ~99.9% of these guys you refer to probably are not 'Decision Makers' in real life so why should I trust their academic hogwash models that have proven unreliable?
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