Moderate R's have been nominated since 1988 and have largely failed. I think Rand is a very important player if the republican party is to move forward and "modernize". He is to the left of Hillary on drugs, foreign policy, police, and civil liberties. Sorry wfel, but I think you are absolutely wrong when you say the republicans need to trust the moderate establishment. Moderation does not win elections, bold ideas do. The democrats are much bolder than republicans when it comes to ideas, and it sells to the voters.

Rand has a clear ideology that people can trust, unlike Romney and McCain who were not even genuine conservatives.

Like I said, people that voted for Kerry because they did not like the patriotic act and the iraq war, but then decide to vote for Clinton in 2016 against Rand, are huge hypocrites. Rand is addressing issues that are important right now- surveillance, drug laws, police. Hillary represents the status quo on all of those issues.

Hillary will do well with hardcore democrats who are old (like yourself, wfel), but she offers nothing for young folks, people worried about militarization, and folks concerned about the drug war.

And she has a tin ear. She has made some pretty bad mistakes the past few months.

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Posted on 8/26/14 at 11:30 am to HailHailtoMichigan!

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Hillary will do well with hardcore democrats who are old (like yourself, wfel), but she offers nothing for young folks, people worried about militarization, and folks concerned about the drug war.

Those you mention are not single issue voters. The D Left doesn't like HRC but they like those you mention above will vote for her if she is the nominee. Plus do not overlook the draw of electing the first woman president. But then again, she may not run and if she doesn't it is wide open for the Ds.

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Rand has a clear ideology that people can trust, unlike Romney and McCain who were not even genuine conservatives.

Rand has never been in a national election-he is going to have to withstand being defined by (whether they are absolutely true or not) being anti VRA, an isolationist, no friend of Israel, etc. He'll have a very difficult time getting the nomination let alone winning a national election. Don't get me wrong he adds a dimension to the Rs that they sorely need, but he is too different from the current base to win the nomination. Rs surely won't win with a Perry but they might with a moderate. Look at the polling the moderates always run tighter against the D candidate. Now, all of this is based on the current political landscape-a lot can happen in 2 years.

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