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re: Statistics: Why LSU will beat Wisconsin: A response to Wisc Trolls

Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:56 pm to
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:56 pm to
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First, he was the backup. James White was the starter. He was drafted in the fourth round and is getting raves from Belichek, Bradey, and Ridley. Think Kevin Faulk but a better runner. If he lasts half as long as Faulk it will be a nice career.


They rotated series for the first six games, as reflected in the fact that Gordon actually had more carries. You can spin as backup, but you get as many or more carries to start... it is just an attempt at deflection. It wasn't till he faded in the second half that White started getting 5 more carries a game than him.
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Because of White, Gordon wasn't utilized in the passing game.


ofcourse... two guys share the rock equally for half a season and one guys doesn't get any catches 'because of the other'. However you want to spin it buddy.

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Second, you are viewing him in the wrong context. Last year we had terrible WRs except for Abby.


Vs this year where you will just have terrible WRs

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Gordon was used in a role similar to how Harvin was used, minus receiving. He wasn't brought in to run between the tackles. He was used on plays like the fly sweep.


Yes he did go to the outside more - but his carries will equal White until he faded...

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OSU: I'm not even going to touch your pitiful comment. But, you are completely wrong about stopping us. First, we put 105 on them on 23 carries. That isn't being stopped. If you watched the game you would have seen Abby destroy their first round pick Brady Roby for 200 on ten catches.


Holding your invincible running game to 100 isn't shutting you down? LOLOL And yes Abby who is no longer there tore them apart. He was one of the best route runners (if not the best) in the nation. He is gone and you now have dogmeat out wide.

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You have to view his performance understanding how limited our offense was and how it impacted him.


And you have to view this game as the fact that your limited offense lost the only thing that resembled talent in Abby (outside the running game). If it was limited with Abby, lets not pretend it is a transitioning dynamic force without him.
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Scared: did I use that word? I simply found it curious that War Tiger, when assessing Gordon vs. good defenses left out USC. Seems kind of surprising that he would leave out an SEC team while including Minny.


Again feel free to include a double digit loss where your guy got some meaningless yards. Congratulations - will gladly have him go for 125 and a double digit win. But to pretend he didn't fade in the back half as he lost carries to White is ignoring reality.

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The truth is that Gordon is one of the top backs in the nation. The NFL scouts have no vested interest and we know what they think. He is the equivalent of Gurley. Are you scared of him? Probably not, but you should respect him.


Yes he is... and we face top backs all the time. Not discounting he is a talent, but not since we made James disappear 3 years ago have I heard so much talk about a single dimensioned team that is going to take it to us. And that was a top 10 team that was a hell of a lot better than Wisconsin.

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I guarantee you nobody in big ten country would be putting Minny ahead of USC. If you think there is a talent disparity between LSU and Wisconsin is big, then Minny is Tulane.


I don't recall him putting anyone 'ahead'. I recall you guys ignoring his production drop in the back half of the season by hanging your hat on some mediocre bowl that you lost by double digits.

If you don't think there is a talent difference between LSU and Wisky then we can just leave it there. I guess that lack of vested interest by scouts doesn't apply to recruiting or the human eye
Posted by hoopsgalore
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 8:45 am to
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They rotated series for the first six games, as reflected in the fact that Gordon actually had more carries. You can spin as backup, but you get as many or more carries to start... it is just an attempt at deflection. It wasn't till he faded in the second half that White started getting 5 more carries a game than him.


It wasn't 'fading' that gave White more carries than Gordon. Both RBs are plenty talented. Hell, White didn't become a full-time starter until his senior season and still ended his career as one of the better running backs to ever come through Wisconsin. It has been said time and time again that James White was the best RB in the 2014 draft class when it came to pass blocking. That is the reason he became the featured back in Wisconsin down the stretch. Does that mean Gordon is inferior in the pass game? Absolutely not. He was a raw prospect in that aspect of the game because of his use previously.

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ofcourse... two guys share the rock equally for half a season and one guys doesn't get any catches 'because of the other'. However you want to spin it buddy.


This is actually completely true. White was superior in the passing game, which has translated the pros, and received plenty more snaps.

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Again feel free to include a double digit loss where your guy got some meaningless yards. Congratulations - will gladly have him go for 125 and a double digit win. But to pretend he didn't fade in the back half as he lost carries to White is ignoring reality.


The fact that you believe his yards were meaningless tells me you did not watch the game. Your entire post actually tells me you did not watch much of Wisconsin and instead receive your information off of ESPNs player card.

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Yes he is... and we face top backs all the time. Not discounting he is a talent, but not since we made James disappear 3 years ago have I heard so much talk about a single dimensioned team that is going to take it to us. And that was a top 10 team that was a hell of a lot better than Wisconsin.


More relevant than what happened three seasons ago would be to look at what top running backs (i.e. Gurley and Yeldon) did to your defense last season.

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If you don't think there is a talent difference between LSU and Wisky then we can just leave it there. I guess that lack of vested interest by scouts doesn't apply to recruiting or the human eye


I am not sure what the OP said, but just about every Wisconsin fan would acknowledge a talent difference. You're kidding yourself if that will make any Wisconsin fan roll over. This has been said by every comparable opponent for the past decade or two. Yet, Wisconsin wins at a high rate. This does not necessarily means Wisconsin wins, but that attempting to convince Wisconsin fans that talent wins in the end will not do much good in our eyes.
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