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re: Would the Allies have won WWII without America getting involved?
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:44 pm to Nativebullet
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:44 pm to Nativebullet
As long as your hypothetical seniero includes America supplying the Soviets in the same manner as really happened, then yes, tha Allues would have won.
Take away American supplies, thd Soviets crumble and Germsny wins. Simply put, without American supplies the Red Arny would have been barefoot and starving and virtually devoid of any motor transport.
Take away American supplies, thd Soviets crumble and Germsny wins. Simply put, without American supplies the Red Arny would have been barefoot and starving and virtually devoid of any motor transport.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:51 pm to Nativebullet
How is this even a question? The Germans captured France and were doing a serious number on England.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:54 pm to Nativebullet
No. The British Empire would have gone bankrupt and been forced to accept a negotiated peace. The war between Germany, and its allies, against the Soviet Union would have been quite prolonged. The Germans would have had more men and material at their disposal, and the Soviets would not have had the logistical network that American lend lease supplies afforded them. I am not certain that this combination would have been decisive as the Germans also had two major flaws to their war effort, but I think the Soviets would have sought a negotiated peace. The bigger question is would Hitler have accepted anything less than unconditional surrender?
The first was Nazi policies with respect to the populations of occupied territories. Treating the local inhabitants as untermensch required significant resources to control the population. A more liberal approach, and the Germans would have found a more cooperative population. There were more than enough people who would have gladly welcomed the Germans as liberators, but the Germans behaved as conquerors in accordance with Nazi ideology. The second was Hitler's role in German military operations. His ideas were occasionally brilliant, but they were more often disastrous for the German military. He had some of the best military minds of the generation available, but he did not allow them to use their talents.
The outcome of the war between Germany and the Soviet Union would have been influenced by the terms of any peace between the Germans and the British. The Germans would most likely have gotten concessions that opened the oil fields of the Middle East to them via the Suez Canal and Italian ports. This would have altered the conditions that influenced German strategic planning in 1942 that led to the disaster at Stalingrad. Who knows what would have happened without that defeat for the Germans.
The first was Nazi policies with respect to the populations of occupied territories. Treating the local inhabitants as untermensch required significant resources to control the population. A more liberal approach, and the Germans would have found a more cooperative population. There were more than enough people who would have gladly welcomed the Germans as liberators, but the Germans behaved as conquerors in accordance with Nazi ideology. The second was Hitler's role in German military operations. His ideas were occasionally brilliant, but they were more often disastrous for the German military. He had some of the best military minds of the generation available, but he did not allow them to use their talents.
The outcome of the war between Germany and the Soviet Union would have been influenced by the terms of any peace between the Germans and the British. The Germans would most likely have gotten concessions that opened the oil fields of the Middle East to them via the Suez Canal and Italian ports. This would have altered the conditions that influenced German strategic planning in 1942 that led to the disaster at Stalingrad. Who knows what would have happened without that defeat for the Germans.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 2:17 pm to Nativebullet
They'd be speaking German in London if we hadn't been involved.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 2:42 pm to Nativebullet
Russia would have been able to take over Germany without us. We just sped up this process with DDay opening up a two front war and supplying the allies for years. Germans were spread too thin. Now Japan, who knows. That would have been interesting.
This post was edited on 7/26/14 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 7/26/14 at 4:55 pm to Nativebullet
Could the Allies have won WWII without the USA's involvement? In a word, NO. I say that because before we shot the first bullet in battle the US was supplying the UK and others with weapons and supplies that helped keep them in the game. And b/c Britain wouldn't cave in or negotiate a treaty with Germany Hitler got antsy and turned his attention to the USSR (non-aggression pact partners) and made the BIG mistake of invading them before England was dispatched. Then enters Japan and Pearl Harbor and we got in it.
The revisionist PC party line has of late over- tipped the hat to the Soviets for doing a lot of the dirty work along the Eastern Front - but once again the US was providing much needed weaponry and supplies to the Ruskies which also helped keep them in the fight - not to mention the actual military involvement of American forces which kept the Wehrmacht busy in the West and prevented them from fully crushing Stalin. Divided they nearly did anyway.
The revisionist PC party line has of late over- tipped the hat to the Soviets for doing a lot of the dirty work along the Eastern Front - but once again the US was providing much needed weaponry and supplies to the Ruskies which also helped keep them in the fight - not to mention the actual military involvement of American forces which kept the Wehrmacht busy in the West and prevented them from fully crushing Stalin. Divided they nearly did anyway.
This post was edited on 7/26/14 at 5:00 pm
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