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re: Time to stop pretending : 130 Environmental groups call for end of capitalism
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:21 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:21 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Capitalism is doomed in the long run. You can't have endless growth without consequences. The solution is going to have to be something that humanity hasn't really come up with yet.
Starvation has been around a long long time.
How are those countries that believe in Communism and Socialism doing economically? What new ideas have come out of the Obama think tank?
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:25 pm to CptBengal
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They aren't environmentalists...they're socialists attempting to use the environment as a wedge.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:26 pm to Bunk Moreland
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I agree with some of your points, but what system is better? I think groups like this need to focus more on how money works and/or what is an alternative to debt based infinite growth models. I disagree with you that "technology" will save us. Technology is really just another way to use energy. Once cheap energy goes away, the whole thing will collapse. I don't think it is decades away. I think it is years away.
Tell us about Peak Oil and how we're all fricked
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:27 pm to Gladius Veritas
Compelling argument, Gladius
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:29 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Compelling argument, Gladius
thanks
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:47 pm to Gladius Veritas
Capitalism cannot "end". It can only be modified, manipulated or suppressed with continuous effort. It's like holding back a large powerful river with dams and levees. Yes, you can do it, and probably should manipulate and control it in a prudent manner, but you can't stop water from flowing down hill.
Socialism, classically defined, is a scourge and a self-defeating system.
Socialism, classically defined, is a scourge and a self-defeating system.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:51 pm to CptBengal
Wait? They're using Venezuela as their success story?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:54 pm to CptBengal
Man, I'm pretty active with some conservation groups but this is one reason I'm sometimes embarrassed to say it. Some of my acquaintances are bat shite crazy and it's all a front for leftist politics for many.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:55 pm to CptBengal
That's why I hate environmentalism
I like the environment and we should take sensible measures to protect it, but environmentalism is just anti capitalism In a Trojan horse
Never trust anyone who isn't being straight forward
I like the environment and we should take sensible measures to protect it, but environmentalism is just anti capitalism In a Trojan horse
Never trust anyone who isn't being straight forward
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:58 pm to Hawkeye95
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Technology can incrementally improve our efficiency of those resources, but there is a finite amount of resources on the planet, and infinite growth is required.
honestly on our current trajectory, we are fricked. it will come to an end for quite a few of us unless we either come up with life saving technology or we radically restructure our society.
I think we will find better sources of fuel as fossil fuels run out. Solar, wind, nuclear etc will eventually become more efficient and safe
Currently we have enough coal, oil, and natural gas to last my entire lifetime so I won't be here to see it run out unless medicine improves so much that we can live much longer.
Capitalism isn't what consumes resources. Socialism, communism, etc all consume natural resources. Unless the entire world decides to give up everything and go back to living in huts and subsistence farming or being a nomad, then we will consume resources regardless of any countries economic structure.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 7:01 pm to deltaland
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Capitalism isn't what consumes resources. Socialism, communism, etc all consume natural resources
Right. Socialist nations have been some of the worse offenders.
Most ardent environmentalists I know are fairly short sighted.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 7:09 pm to CptBengal
Obama and the left have now made it trendy to level the playing field and redistribute. Now , there is no sense in them hiding behind the facade. Most of them are just coming out as socialists to push the revolution. Obama was the perfect pawn of the uber rich Dems. There was a reason he was groomed for this.
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