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re: So NOAA and NASA are doctoring temperature data.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 3:20 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 7/23/14 at 3:20 pm to CptBengal
quote:The graph you're posting is referring to the second-order feedbacks, not the salinity. Hence the reason stability is the measure and not salinity.
so you're telling me a stratification that occurs 150+ meters down, and isnt the determinate or even majority control of depth strata is driving surface sea ice production?
And I'm telling you the halocline is damn near non-existent in those waters. It's a a fact. the graph I posted was from a PRO warming paper in nature.
Your hypiothesis depends on halocline stratification. Due to deep water formation and low variability in salinity...there is essentially ZERO halocline stratification. that does invalidate your argument.
quote:No, it's being diluted by runoff from the cap ice and from increased precipitation. Neither of which contain salt. You seem to be having a hard time with this, and I don't really know why.
Loss of salinity? Is the salt going somewhere else?
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 3:25 pm to Iosh
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he vast majority of it isn't occurring 150 meters down. It's occurring near the surface. Look at the chart you excerpted again. 150 meters down is merely the limit of detectable change in stability trends.
Yes, that drastic change in salinity....thats called, wait for it....
THE HALOCLINE
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No, it's being diluted by runoff from the cap ice and from increased precipitation.
and yet we dont see a drop in the salinity at the surface, only in the halocline. Or are you claiming that a 0.2 ppt change in salinity is actually statistically significant.
let me put it another way....the amount of runoff is incapable of changing the salinity in a basin of that size. It isnt possible. frick, major rivers (Yangtzee, Miss, Amazon, ganges, etc) are only able to change salinity by a few ppt. and only in the very immediate area.
you're claiming a 0.2 ppt change as significant. it's laughable.
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