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The latest regulatory overreach: U.S. Fish and Wildlife to enforce ivory agenda
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:00 pm
WSJ: Grandma's Cameo Becomes Yard-Sale Contraband
AP: Museums, Musicians Say Ivory Order Hampers Travel
Forget going after the terrorists and poachers who are driving elephants to extinction.. have to stop grandpa from bringing his ol' walking cane on trips !
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On June 26 countless antiques, musical instruments and other objects made from ivory or decorated with it will be effectively banned by the federal government from sale or trade within the U.S. Coupled with tough new international import-export restrictions, the value of these objects, once in the hundreds of millions of dollars, will evaporate.
The expressed aim of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is to discourage the ivory trade and protect endangered African elephants, though it is difficult to discern how that effort is aided by attacking, say, collectors of Victorian or Art Deco treasures.
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The message is clear to those who possess ivory-detailed objects including clarinets, canes, pistols, crucifixes, timepieces, chess sets, cameos, guitars, mahjong sets, pianos or furniture: You own it, you're stuck with it. The objects shortly will be worthless and uninsurable by government decree, and the IRS is unlikely to allow you to write it off as an investment loss, no matter how much you or your family paid for it—a few hundred dollars at an estate sale or $20,000 at Christie's.
The impracticality of monitoring every flea market, auction and estate sale in the country will force the Fish and Wildlife Service to selectively enforce the new regulations. Worse, many buyers and sellers—from hobbyists to professionals—may be unaware that they will be vulnerable to confiscation, fines and arrest for violating the new regulations
AP: Museums, Musicians Say Ivory Order Hampers Travel
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Museums and musicians are concerned that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's stricter rules on the transport of items containing elephant ivory are inflicting unintended complications on the music community.
The new strategy for fighting trafficking through enforcement, approved by President Barack Obama in February, puts a near complete ban on the commercial trade of elephant ivory.
Musicians and collectors say the rules will limit their ability to travel abroad with antique and vintage instruments they acquired decades ago, and could put them risk of fines and the possible seizure of their instruments.
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Earlier this month, U.S. customs agents at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport refused clearance for seven ivory-tipped violin bows owned by members of the Budapest Festival Orchestra because the items lacked proper permits. The musicians used borrowed bows for their performances, and their own were eventually released and sent back to Hungary after a $525 fine was paid.
Forget going after the terrorists and poachers who are driving elephants to extinction.. have to stop grandpa from bringing his ol' walking cane on trips !
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:04 pm to Rohan2Reed
*facepalm*
This is an extension of the kind of fricking stupidity behind the Gibson Guitar raid, where the feds were seizing woods it claimed Gibson had gotten in violation of some obscure Indian law about exports.
They had a different one of these laws that could have forced second-hand shops out of business and forced children's books and clothes to be destroyed but, thankfully, they patched that particular piece of crap.
This is an extension of the kind of fricking stupidity behind the Gibson Guitar raid, where the feds were seizing woods it claimed Gibson had gotten in violation of some obscure Indian law about exports.
They had a different one of these laws that could have forced second-hand shops out of business and forced children's books and clothes to be destroyed but, thankfully, they patched that particular piece of crap.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:19 pm to teke184
Wow I had never heard of that happening. Going to have to look up some articles from that government boondoggle.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:40 pm to Rohan2Reed
Sounds like a taking without due process.
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:43 pm to Rohan2Reed
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Forget going after the terrorists and poachers who are driving elephants to extinction
I'd be in favor of droning poachers
Posted on 6/24/14 at 6:33 pm to Rohan2Reed
None of this will have an impact on the poaching of elephants.
The BEST way to protect these elephants is to allow selective hunting by well to do hunters.
Everyday, our freedom in this country diminishes just a little bit more...
The BEST way to protect these elephants is to allow selective hunting by well to do hunters.
Everyday, our freedom in this country diminishes just a little bit more...
Posted on 6/24/14 at 6:36 pm to weagle99
Can someone explain how restricting the sale of ivory that has been in the US for decades will save a currently living elephant?
Posted on 6/24/14 at 7:04 pm to weagle99
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Can someone explain how restricting the sale of ivory that has been in the US for decades will save a currently living elephant?
Maybe the two Obama-appointed heads of the Department of the Interior can explain. After all, their backgrounds are as political operatives. That qualifies them for overseeing the protection of African elephants, right?
Posted on 6/24/14 at 7:23 pm to Rohan2Reed
Bonus question: How will banning interstate trade of legal ivory in the US stop China from consuming ivory?
These useful idiots are just like the climate change crowd.
These useful idiots are just like the climate change crowd.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 7:47 pm to weagle99
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Bonus question: How will banning interstate trade of legal ivory in the US stop China from consuming ivory?
These useful idiots are just like the climate change crowd.
It's not stopping the ivory trade in China. However, the U.S. is the second-biggest ivory market, after China.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 7:54 pm to wfeliciana
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It's not stopping the ivory trade in China. However, the U.S. is the second-biggest ivory market, after China.
I'd rather them destroy the flow / supply of illegal ivory by mowing down the poachers rather than create a new bureaucracy to try and regulate out the business of consuming it.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:00 pm to Rohan2Reed
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'd rather them destroy the flow / supply of illegal ivory by mowing down the poachers
I agree with you on that. They should shoot the bastards in their legs, rip out their teeth and then cut their feet off. That's what they do to the elephants except for shooting them in the legs--they just kill them.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:08 pm to wfeliciana
It's like the drug trade from central / south America. We don't go after the supply and movement, we spend billions on law enforcement, prisons, "social" programs, D.A.R.E., etc. Washington loves to take on the task of solving big issues, but their solution is more power and money for themselves .. and implementing systems and "solutions" that do little to address the issues.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:30 pm to Rohan2Reed
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the value of these objects, once in the hundreds of millions of dollars, will evaporate
WRONG, the value will actually skyrocket on the black market just like everything else they make illegal
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:38 pm to teke184
OMFG! What will the world do now?
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:40 pm to Rohan2Reed
Now the mark up for ivory just went through the roof encouraging more people to go kill elephants so they can make serious profits in the U.S.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:40 pm to shawnlsu
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WRONG, the value will actually skyrocket on the black market just like everything else they make illegal
Government loves to create crime
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